Is Francis the Worst Pope Ever?

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Re: Is Francis the Worst Pope Ever?

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Archimandrit Nilos wrote:

Bergoglio alias Francis is an apostate from all Christian Faith.

Technically one has to be a Christian in the first place to be an apostate and renounce a belief in Christianity. Francis was never a Christian to begin with, was not raised as a Christian, and neither was his predecessor Benedict, and his predecessor before him JPII, and the one before that, etc. What is new or interesting to see here? Nothing.

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Barbara wrote:

I am glad people are issuing emphatic calls for Pope Francis to resign. An imposter Pope and servant of the Devil if ever there was one.

Why should any of us be glad? The less Christian the pope appears, the more apt people are to seek out an alternative, like Holy Orthodoxy. You want to replace Francis with a seemingly more "conservative" pope, so more people will be lured astray, drawn into the congregation of evil-doers?

. . . It is dismaying that you get excited by the prospect of new books by this papist Fr. Paul Kramer. Why should an Orthodox Christian care?

Perhaps others are patiently and quietly hoping you will come to abandon your captivation with everything that is papism, by keeping up with everything that is going in the catholic world. I love you too much to sit by and say nothing. You are carrying around some catholic baggage Barbara, and you are publicly encouraging others to do the same. I have waited years now for you to amend your ways, but you seem to be making no progress.

You cannot bring yourself to confess that the Papist so-called Catholic Church is not the Church of Christ, can you? I have asked you to on previous occasions, and you always find some way to ignore my requests. All you do is complain about Francis, as if we are supposed to concern ourselves with individual personalities and not the heresy and apostasy of Papism in general.

Are you willing to confess what St. Ambrose confesses? St. Ambrose was indicting the Papists long before our lifetime and well before Pope Francis was even born! Why do you make everything about Francis? You are far too interested in facial expressions and individual personalities. The Orthodox Church rejects papism in toto, and is not concerned about a sinister facial expression. The Church does not make judgement according to the appearance, but judges righteous judgment. (John 7:24)

Please read this. You have time to get excited by a new book by some sedevacantist or some such, certainly you can take a few minutes and read these:

St. Ambrose of Optina on the Roman Catholic Church
http://orthochristian.com/63657.html

The Church—The Treasury of Salvation
by St. John of Kronstadt
http://orthodoxinfo.com/general/krons_church.aspx

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Cyprian, you do post wonderful posts and your sharings are very much appreciated and often right on, but please be aware that attacking others does not help. While only Christ can convert others to the Holy Faith, we can thwart the grace that He gives. We must be very careful not to interfere with the grace that God gives others. Being kind, loving, helpful, and respectful helps spread the Good News.

Cyprian, thank you for explaining that the St. Ambrose you were mentioning was St. Ambrose of Optina. At first, I thought you were referring to St. Ambrose of Milan! Nevertheless, disagreements leading to the Great Schism began well before the 800s. The seeds of destruction were already in place with the "filioque" addition in the 6th century. And then there was the Athanasius Creed, which also contains the "filioque" clause. Along with the "filioque" addition, the development of doctrines and changes in traditions began well before 1000 A.D. with:

mandatory celibacy,
baking altar bread without yeast,
communion practices changed by only offering the "host" to laity,
Baptism, Confirmation, Communion were no longer given to babies, but separately administered as a baby matured,
constant changes to the Mass according to local practices (among the worst of changes)
changes in vestments,
changes in music to where protestant style music and pop culture music is now accepted,
changes in church architecture to accept churches in the round,
changes in church sacred art, so that precious icons were eliminated in favor of statues,
changes in canonization rules, so that unrepentant pedophiles are raised to sainthood,
changes in the manner in which bishops and popes give a blessing,
staged miracles, or attribution to a "saint" of a miracle which was not a miracle at all, but was a natural healing,
etc.

Below is a picture of Piux X giving a blessing. Note that when he holds up his fingers, they are not held up in the same way as Orthodox Priests and Bishops. However, the Vatican II popes after Pius XII, only use a wave of the hand, or touch people with their open palm.

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Compare with Francis on the day of his election. Notice the open hand wave.
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An Orthodox Priest blesses us differently from Roman Catholic Priests: https://www.orthodoxphotos.com/readings ... sing.shtml
"When the priest blesses us, he forms the Greek letters IC XC, that is, Jesus Christ, with the fingers of his hand. This means that through the priest our Lord Jesus Christ Himself blesses us. Therefore, we must receive the blessing of the clergy with reverence."

There is a book I recently purchased which talked about "miraculous" healings of cancer, described in the medical literature as spontaneous remission. Often, these cases of spontaneous remission are NOT MIRACLES in any way. Yet, the Roman Catholic church attributes these cases of spontaneous remissions as miracles. Spontaneous remissions can occur when a person with cancer simply gives up all sugars (natural and artificial), all non-organic foods, all processed foods and junk foods, all meats, all starchy foods, and all dairy. These people often go on a vegetarian diet drinking juiced vegetables and/or juiced sprouted vegetables for a period of one week to one month before the "healing" process begins. This diet does not always work because people do not want to follow such a strict diet.

For example, there was a baby, kissed by Francis, who had brain cancer. She was already on the road to healing when he hugged her. They are calling that a miracle. Mind you, he did not bless her, he just hugged her.

Incidentally, all of the popes since Vatican II have stopped giving papal blessings using the Orthodox Christian style of blessing. Do an Internet for pictures of popes giving a blessing. The last one you will see is Pius XII, who had a lot of issues himself. Pius XII's encyclicals and pontifications show that he favored more changes in the Mass and had encouraged the formation of diocesan liturgical commissions, which paved the way for Vatican II and the New Order Mass.

Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me a sinner.

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"Bishop Williamson" certainly has his issues.

Even though he celebrates the Latin Traditional Mass, he still commemorates Vatican II popes as "valid" popes as did his predecessor, Marcel Lefebvre.

While the SSPX is making plans to join Rome in their iniquity, Williamson is resisting that temptation, but he still "recognizes" Rome. Herein lies his problem.

Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me a sinner.

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Cyprian, you have posted about how the Jewish Sanhedrin supposedly controls our culture, yet you have criticized others for talking about Francis. However, the Sanhedrin does not exist; the Roman Catholic Church does exist, and it influences over a billion souls. If the popes support immorality and heresy more and more, that will affect our culture for the worse and that culture will tempt our Orthodox youth. That is why Pope Francis's apostasy from basic Christian creedal doctrine and basic Christian moral teaching is a bad thing. We all agree that the popes have been outside the Church for centuries. But what Francis is doing NOW has a real affect on us Orthodox adults who worry about our Orthodox youth and the indoctrination they will face in the schools and popular culture. It is a crucial topic if you care (as many of us do on this list) about our Orthodox youth. Taking about a non-existent Sanhedrin is a distraction. So is taking about Hollywood movies, which you do quite a bit of, online. Hollywood is OPENLY against Christian morality. We do not need to look for secret messages is these films. The real, open anti-Christian messages are the danger. Now the influential pope of a billion souls seems to support Hollywood immorality. That is something that we need to talk about. That hurts our culture and our children

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New picture of Francis with a satanist cross:

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Satanists Manifesting: Antipope Bergoglio Carries a Stang – the Ritual Staff of Witchcraft

As I have said and written before, one of satan’s most clever moves has been to foment, encourage and push mentally ill and demonically oppressed people to LOUDLY broadcast insane, ridiculous, totally false “conspiracy theories”. We all know the types and categories. Mind control beams, “chem trails”, shape shifting lizards, underground civilizations, flat earthers, the list goes on and on and on.

What this has done is make it almost impossible to point out, discuss, and warn about ACTUAL sinister goings-on and actual, honest-to-goodness conspiracies that are very real. We all know that the word “Freemasonry” in the U.S. is automatically lumped into the above category, even though in Europe Freemasonry is largely understood to be the extremely powerful and influential socio-political entity that it is, and many Europeans further understand that the core of Freemasonry is the desire to exterminate the Catholic Church and replace it with the one-world secular humanist political religion of Freemasonry. ...

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[NOTE: the nail in this stang is barely visible in this photo. See the photo at the top of this page taken at the same event.]

It is a MORAL CERTAINTY that the stick that Antipope Bergoglio tried to pass off as a ferula yesterday in the Mass opening the Sin-nod on Sodomy is a “STANG”. Antipope Bergoglio said is was a “gift” from “young people” who SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED that he use it in the opening Mass of the Sodo-synod. ...

A Stang is a witch/warlock’s ceremonial staff. It is always forked, and always has an iron nail driven through it.[/b] Ideally it has a human form carved or integrated into it somehow. The Stang signifies several things, the first being a satan himself. ...

Anyway, the iron nail in the Stang symbolizes multiple things, including [language removed] ... a mocking of the Crucifixion of Our Lord, and is the triple motif of the threefold serpentine, telluric and cainic “powers”.

The “serpentine” meaning is obvious – the devil himself, in the garden, “gifting” Adam and Eve with the “liberating” and “enlightening” words, “No, you shall not die the death. For God doth know that in what day soever you shall eat thereof, your eyes shall be opened: and you shall be as Gods, knowing good and evil.“

The word “telluric” refers to earthly power, whose source and symbol is “the serpent”, “deep in the earth”.

The third motif symbolized by the iron nail in the Stang is the Cainic “powers”. Now, hold on to your hats. Here’s the opening from the Wiki article on “Cainism”, and remember folks, we are talking about Cain, whose sacrifice God rejected and he thus murdered his brother Abel because as St. John teaches, “Cain slew Abel because his works were evil, while those of his brother were just (1 John 3:12), and we read in Hebrews that “by faith Abel offered to God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain” (Hebrews 11:4).” ...

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