Barbara wrote: ↑Mon 1 April 2024 11:33 pm
Do you mind if I ask what a "dyerite trad" is ? I understand trad, of course. But can you explain what that Jay Dyer guy is all about ?
I've been waiting for a chance to find out from an accurate source.
And who is Taylor Marshall ?
The concepts are related.
Taylor Marshall is a Roman Catholic traditionalist. He makes videos on YT about how horrible the latest thing is that Pope Francis has done, while insisting that his followers must just stay loyal to papism and pray the rosary really hard for this temptation to pass. Jay Dyer likes to bash traditional Catholicism and names names, Marshall being one of the people of whom he likes to speak ill. He used to be one himself. He calls them out rightly, but has extremely poor manners so that nearly everybody on social media blocks him. (Dyer spends a significant amount of time doing bad impressions of people's voices and singing bad songs that he makes up.) Then he whines about being a victim because nobody wants to debate him. (See Fr. Joseph's video clip from that time he went on Jay's show if you want to know how interested Jay is in debate, or even having opposing positions present at all.) He insists that the fact his own patriarch does the same things has no bearing on the validity of his WO confession. (This is only partly correct. We don't have papal infallibility as he rightly points out, but we also aren't allowed to commune with heretics, which he conveniently ignores.)
"Trad" is what Dyer calls traditionalist Catholics. The ones who know Vatican 2 is heretical, who know that Francis is a public apostate, who want to go back, but can't let go of their papist beliefs and insist they must just stay with the heretic (and think up rationalisations on how it is technically not heresy).
Jay knows ecumenism is heresy, he knows Sergianism is heresy, he knows lgbt-qwerty is heresy, he knows the Havana agreement is uniatism, but he insists that everyone must stay with heretical patriarchs because in his mind those official structures constitute the church.
It is ironically, the exact same position that Taylor Marshall holds. In other words, Jay Dyer is a trad ecumenist. Except Dr. Marshall is an altogether nicer guy.
That was the important part for the comment. Dyer is a film critic; he specialises in watching movies over and over and then makes videos about how particular symbols in the films have satanic meanings. IMO this is way over-done. I don't mind that he did it a few times, what worries me is that the guy keeps watching all this satanic stuff over and over even after finding out what it is. When he gives commentary which goes basically like: "Look at this display on the screen, it's a ritual to cast a spell on those who see it and draw you in psychologically," then talking about watching it again, and especially just for fun, is not what I consider a sign of sanity. He also reads books by NWO types (Schwab, Huxley, etc.) and talks about their plans. His followers behave strangely when you encounter them. Young right-wing adult males, generally parroting anything he says even when he says the fathers are wrong (not the norm, but he does do it), obsessed with "debate," obsessed with controlling the conversation by refusing to discuss anything other than a narrow segment of philosophy which Jay tells them is foundational,* rude and aggressive, oddly specific conspiracies,** etc. They're known as Orthobros, but we just call them Dyerites.
* It's complicated. Jay claims that world-view is the basis of everything else and you can't discuss the rest until you have justified your world-view. He says Orthodoxy provides his world-view and is the only system which can do so, then talks about why the opponent's world-view is bad. He refuses to discuss whatever faults the opponent may find in his Orthodoxy because that is not, according to him, world-view, even though he just said it was where his world-view comes from and must therefore be the foundational portion. It's all about controlling the discussion (he says so explicitly) but none of his opponents have been skilled enough to call him out on it. This is, I believe, not a coincidence since he is extremely selective about who gets to debate him. They have to go through his lackeys first. But he insists everyone is too scared to debate him.
** For example Jay claims that moon landings and space probes are fake but space stations and satellites are real.
