Is Barak Obama the Antichrist?

[Catherine5]

Yes, Prav, I have many many times visited the site of that former Church of 12 Apostles, now Fatih Cami. I lived right down the street for awhile.
Furthermore, Prophet Mohammad never would claim that he was more important than "Hazrat Isa" - NEVER. You are under the influence of that Cairene Zionist propaganda, no doubt! This must be the source of many of the distortions of history here. Prophet Mohammad merely said that he brought a new revelation AFTER that of the Most High Jesus. Believe me, as I've said before, if you want to see real reverence for Jesus and Our Lady, speak to Muslims abroad.
They love them with utmost fervor. Muslims in the U.S., however, sometimes are lukewarm after so much time in this anti-Jesus country.
They love holy medals and would always gaze in awe at my Miraculous Medal. No one in America ever noticed it, not even Catholics!
These are some of the reasons I like those people.
[I used the term Our Lady because Muslims do not employ the term Mother of God for Her.]

Now here are a couple of facts with which you must already be acquainted. I came across today when searching for Orthodoxy Around the World on youtube, thinking maybe to show really fascinating Orthodox churches in Muslim countries, that 60 Minutes documentary on the Phanar [2009]. Someone phoned me to watch it at the time but I don't have a TV and was not enthused anyway. So I hurried through it today. [It was first time I heard Patr Bartholomew speak and I did not like or trust him so didn't like to watch him any longer than necessary.] About halfway thru Part 2, the monk from El Paso, Texas, shows the reporter the grant of the St Catherine's Monastery by the Prophet Mohammad [I must be really irritating you and everyone else by calling him by his official title !] with the original signature. The Greek Orthodox monk praises this exemplary toleration and broad-mindedness toward Christians and others.

----To be continued manana...

[mmcxristidis]

CATHERINE Say's:..."the Prophet Mohammad [I must be really irritating you and everyone else by calling him by his official title"

Yea, you are very irritating and I think that's that way you want it. Your rambling post's praising the satanic Muslim religion and it's creator, Mohammad, inspired by demons, is most disturbing and disgusting to me and I'm sure the majority of Orthodox Christians on this list, I must say, personally, I just don't really believe you are a Christian at all. You say you lived in this and that Muslim country,are you married to a Muslim ? You seem to be some kind of Islamic spin doctor, that's why I don't take anything you write seriously. You don't like what I say about you and won't reply to it ,too bad, doesn't matter, others read it and agree with me I'm sure.

[Pravoslavnik]

Catherine,

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 I visited the Phanar and even met Ecumenical Patriarch Barholomew-- quite accidentally-- in June of 2000.  There was an armed guard stationed outside of the gate of the Phanar when I visited, because the Phanar had been fire-bombed by Moslems during the previous year.  I also attended a liturgy that same month at the Greek Orthodox cathedral at Taksim Square in Galata.  We were quickly "shooed" out of the church, and the doors of the cathedral were bolted shut with massive chains immediately after the divine services for security reasons.

 The synagogue in Taksim Square was bombed the following year by Moslems.

  As for the history of St. Catherine's Monastery in the Sinai Desert-- there is a magnificent out-of-print book on the subject, with wonderful photographs of the buildings and icons-- which was published about 30 years ago by a group of American scholars (?)from Princeton and the University of Michigan.  (I bought a copy on eBay a few years ago.)  The monastery was almost destroyed on more than one occasion by marauding Bedouins-- but was spared during the reign of the Mamelukes by consenting to have a mosque built within the complex-- which is still there.  Orthodox Churches are, of course, not permitted to ring bells in Islamic nations, so they use wooden clappers.

[Pravoslavnik]

JGress,

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 I am curious.  You have mentioned here that none of the Orthodox Christian prophecies and teachings have ever indicated that the Antichrist will be a practicing, or nominal, Moslem.  

 Conversely, do you have any quotes from the Holy Fathers which specifically indicate that the Antichrist [i]will definitely NOT be a Moslem [/i]descendant of the Hebrew tribe of Dan?

[jgress]

Well, I've been thinking about something similar to this. If the Antichrist is going to unite people around the worship of himself, then he will appeal to Jews, Christians, Muslims and pagans. I don't think the religion he institutes will be just purely Islamic, though. He may incorporate elements of all religions, pretending to be the one that is expected in all of them. So, in that respect, he will be the fulfillment of the Islamic expectation of the Mahdi. Just as for Jews, he will be the Messiah, and for pagans, whatever deified or prophetic figure is expected at the end of time (many religions seem to include something like this). For Christians, no doubt, he will pretend to be Christ in His Second Coming, hence the prophecies that point to a false 'virgin birth' and so on. Ecumenism can be seen to prepare humanity to accept Antichrist, because it teaches that all religions are fundamentally about the same thing. That is how the Antichrist will be able to appeal to all different faiths.

It does seem that the final Antichristian religion will resemble Judaism more than anything else, since it will be centered at Jerusalem and involve sacrifices to him in a rebuilt temple. Nevertheless, there may also be a significant Muslim element in it as well, not to mention Christian and pagan elements.

I'm not yet done with Moss' book, however, so if I find more information on this question, I'll let you know. I recommend reading it for yourself, too, of course.

[Catherine5]

Mr Cristidis, the two cities ARE holy to billions of people, spanning most all nations, even China has its Muslim population, the Hui.
Even the anti-religious American media uses that term, so that's why I feel free to employ it without setting off a howl of persecution!
Let's switch for the moment to happier topics.
Aren't you expecting a girl very soon?
How about naming her Philomena - i'm sure you'll reject that because suggested by me.
She was a Greek Martyr princess about 300 AD, making her qualify easily for Orthodox, merely she is not well publicized.
She is a great Miracle-Worker - what about it for a middle name perhaps?

Prav, don't believe about those very likely false flag operations. That's now become widely understood by analysts as "Standard Israeli Operating Procedure" : bomb Christians or Muslims, point finger to any old group of Muslims [such as the mostly concocted 'terror group' al-Qaeda. I always knew that was not a reality because I'm familiar with that part of the world. Most people cower in fear and will do anything the powers behind their government will tell them. It's better to maintain objectivity in all regards, not fall for this pathetic, thread-bare scare-tactic.]

The longtime objective of political Jews has been to first encourage, then keep reminding, Christians to despise Muslims. In short, to turn Christians 100 percent against THEIR perceived enemies. Christians fall for it every day.

I, for one, will NOT buy into a bit of their scheming, so I like to, despite all fierce opposition, stick up for the truth about Muslims and counterract all the propaganda over so many centuries.
Muslims understand the ruses of the Jews far better than the overall naive Christians do. Hence, WHO is always loudly outspoken about Israeli "terrorism" - ? Muslims. But their voices echo down the long Hall of Mirrors, because Christians have ignorantly written them off and sided with the Jews against them. So there is silence from most all Christians and supposedly Christian nations when Israel does abominable deeds, complete silence.
See the much higher picture than the typical garden-variety prejudice evinced by writers here.
It affects everyone in some form. More American militant expansionism at Israel's behest forces the economy into greater and faster collapse, along with other factors as well.

The plethora of ripple effects from these ridiculous wars of greed against - only oil-rich naturally - Middle Eastern nations affect most citizens of the U.S. and many of those who live in countries of the West.
What about the burden of sin that this country bears for killing humans almost for a pastime? Don't you both believe God will seek Justice for these cruel actions of Israel and U.S.? Can't that be one of the factors which could cause punishment for the guilty parties/
If there IS a cataclysm sent by Heaven, most all in the world will feel it in some form.

I say, better to correct NOW one's condescension and speak nicely of peoples who are basically good, or this will be read off on one's list of sins after his repose.

I don't want those here to suffer unnecessarily so that's why I work so hard to go against -- not just the gurgling stream, but a very unjustified tidal wave -- of dislike for a good people.

[Catherine5]

As if in confirmation of what I wrote, did anyone look at the news a few hours after I posted this condemnation of Israel and its supporters, and the constant lying, pointing their fingers at Muslims to blame for their own evil activities? Taksim Square even comes into the story here...
Likewise right after i wrote about Israeli use of assassination as a tool quite possibly, the news broke of the cold-blooded killing of a Hamas official in Dubai which has remained in international news only because the Mossad agents used British and other passports.
Otherwise no one would have protested, for Israeli gets away literally with murder of anyone.
The US media only quote Israeli officials' reaction, muttering something about the actions of Israel as "drawing international condemnation" - but no details are put forward to explain this or hear another side than Israel's.

As usual, one has to look at independent sources, such as the following account by a renowned Professor, apparently Australian:

Ankara, May 31, 2010

The Turkish aid vessel Mavi Marmara (Blue Marmara) was in international waters when it was attacked by Israeli ships and helicopter-borne soldiers on Monday morning. According to the Israeli government spokesmen, it was the Israeli soldiers who were themselves attacked, with knives, axes and guns, but it was 16 people on board who were killed, according to the estimates of the dead and wounded being made by midday. In fact, as film taken from the Mavi Marmara showed, it was the Israelis who attacked, swarming on the deck and wounding the captain as they took the ship over. The passengers were not armed. They were all checked before they boarded the ship in Istanbul and Antalya and none were carrying weapons. According to a Turkish customs official in Antalya: 'Forty-two passengers boarded in Istanbul and 504 passengers got on the ship here. We spotted no weapons and there is no such record in our logs. We did not notice anything suspicious about the Mavi Marmara. Had our officers had any suspicions they would have reported it'.

In short, when the Israeli Foreign Minister, Danny Ayalon, said that arms were found on the ship he was lying. Even more hysterically, reaching even deeper into the barrel of falsehood, he accused the passengers of having links to Al Qaida and other 'terrorist' organisations. But there were no 'terrorists' on the Mavi Marmara, there was no live fire from the ship and there was no 'lynch mob' waiting for the soldiers, as the Jerusalem Post claimed. It was the Israelis who attacked. Heavily armed 'soldiers’ swarmed on to the deck of the Mavi Marmara from naval vessels or were lowered on to it by helicopter. They began shooting straight away, terrorising the passengers as intended. If some of the attackers (three or four) were hurt it was because some passengers dared to defend themselves against armed assault. One soldier is reported to have been wounded by a passenger who grabbed his gun and turned it on his assailant but no passengers were carrying arms when they boarded the Mavi Marmara. The hundreds of people on board the ship are now on Israeli soil, having been kidnapped on the high seas. No doubt Israel will confiscate mobile phones and cameras, but it cannot hold these people for long and when they are free to tell their stories we will have a clearer idea of what happened on the Mavi Marmara.

Many of the dead were Turkish peace activists and in the coming days Turkey's reaction to this attack on a ship flying the Turkish flag will be critical. Certainly nothing much can be expected from the US and European governments in defence of their citizens. In Ankara, however, the government issued a statement saying that the attack on a ship flying the Turkish flag may well have caused 'irreversible damage' to relations between the two countries. The relationship between the two countries has been deteriorating for years, reaching a low point several months ago when the last ambassador was summoned to the Foreign Ministry simply to be humiliated. For Turkey this might be the final straw. Why would it want to have any kind of relationship with a state that kills Turkish citizens? Thousands of Turks demonstrated in Istanbul's Taksim Square on Monday afternoon. Basically Turks have had enough of Israel. They were shocked by Israel's onslaught on Gaza in 2008 and stung by the humiliation of their ambassador and they will want very strong action from their government following this latest outrage.

To those who do not follow Middle Eastern history and politics Israel suddenly seems out of control. But it has been out of control for the six decades. It has never been in control. It has been allowed to run wild year after year. It is the embodiment of a rogue state. There is no country surrounding Israel that has not suffered a high civilian death at the hands of the Israeli 'defence' forces. Tens of thousands have died in Lebanon. Multiple thousands have been killed in Gaza and the West Bank. The killing of Arab civilians has been so normalised in Israel that individual deaths are scarcely mentioned. Israel will kill foreigners who get in its way but this slaughter of foreigners on the high seas is a new benchmark. This is a state that offers no hope for its own future and at this stage seems beyond redemption."

• Jeremy Salt is associate professor in Middle Eastern History and Politics at Bilkent University in Ankara, Turkey. Previously, he taught at Bosporus University [a very prestigious institution, by the way - C5] in Istanbul and the University of Melbourne in the Departments of Middle Eastern Studies and Political Science.

My hope for Mr Cristidis and others is that they will look at what really matters, not pick out little things to carp away about Muslims or Catholics who are practicing their religions. Such people are no serious threat to the Orthodox OR the True Orthodox! Maybe it's the dark side which is directing the attention away onto such relatively minor problems.

Whereas, it's THIS type of event which can spark major confrontations which may affect all citizens of America. Keep your eyes instead on political world issues of serious importance and use prayer time to ask for a perfect resolution for these problems, which in turn could bring about major disaster and a reign of darkness, back to the original topic of the thread.