Icxypion wrote:joasia wrote:Maria wrote:
I found this psychological study interesting because several Orthodox Christian Priests said that young babies are capable of evil, and this is why babies should be baptized and communed as early as possible. Furthermore, this study shows that children as young as three months want people who differ from them to be punished, which is the root of bullying, retaliation, and anti-social behaviors
I disagree. Babies are not capable of evil. This is an influence from movies and t.v. shows. Babies should be baptized in order to be united with Jesus Christ. This study is full of it and it's crazy. These psychologists are complete idiots. Why do you believe them? Don't believe them.
I am inclined to agree with Joanna on this one, at least on the point of babies being capable of evil. The Papists baptise because they believe in inherited guilt, whereas the Orthodox believe that we inherit a nature that is fallen but that the will to sin against what we know is right does not jade a baby, hence while infants need to be baptised to unite them to Christ and begin the remedy for the fallen nature, they are actually innocent, in a similar fashion the Holy Theotokos needed to be saved, but she was not guilty of any actual wilful sin. Perhaps those Orthodox priests were slightly influenced by the Western notions of original sin. In any case, The study is flawed inasmuch as they are assuming a lot about how to read the responses of infants (eye contact or eye movement as an indication of approval or disapproval) and with the older children their approval or disapproval also being attributed to bias and ill-will towards others who are differnent from them. They are taking, perhaps, a dark view on things because this is the view they themselves would take in the same place. But these are young innocent children. The Holy Scripture says, "To the perverse all things are perverse. To the pure all things are pure." The response of the children, if indeed expressing disapproval, may simply be responding out of a God-given response designed to protect and preserve the health of the child, and to increase the protective bonding that necessarily involves a sense of group membership and group exclusion, that they be distanced from outsiders that may not have their best interests in view. So, I think they are reading into it an unnecessarily dark interpretation.
Forget the psychological studies! We do not need them. Listen to our priests.
Several Orthodox Priests who have heard the confessions of young children as young as three years old have said that babies as young as or younger than 18 months old can commit sins of jealousy, revenge, anger, and hatred. Some of these three year old youngsters admitted to both their parents and the priest that they had committed serious sins when they were younger than 18 months old. In fact, it was the babies' awareness of their wicked deeds as witnessed by their parents that led the parents to present their children to the priest for confession. After asking questions of these young children, hearing their responses, and witnessing their repentance, the priest did grant these young children absolution.
The teaching that the "magical" age of seven somehow imparts the ability to distinguish right from wrong, that young babies and children are incapable of sin, and that children should not be admitted to confession before the age of seven are serious Roman Catholic errors. Each child is different.
How many children have suffered damnation because they were not able to seek help from the Church in their greatest need? God only knows. This is why it is imperative that parents observe their children, offer them godly advice, and refer them to the priest when these youngsters get out of hand, have committed sins, and need confession before receiving Holy Communion.
Several priests have told me that when a young baby or child is presented by their godparents or parents for Holy Communion, that if that child turns his head refusing Holy Communion, then the priest will not force the Holy Mysteries on that youngster. In fact, after the Divine Liturgy, these priests may seek out the parents and the child to see what the problem is. In some cases, the Priest has discovered that the child had a good reason for refusing Holy Communion, and that she wanted to go to Confession because the young child had admitted that she had done something very wrong.
Did not a few two to four year old babies drown their younger sibling in the toilet or in a bucket of water? Or are these horrible events part of a conspiracy of lies presented by the news media? Since I have personally observed young children committing some very foul deeds when I was babysitting them at the church nursery during a church event, I know that babies are capable of committing serious sins.