Defrocked ROCOR-MP priest received into the GOARCH's "Slavic Vicariate" -- per UOJ

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Re: Defrocked ROCOR-MP priest received into the GOARCH's "Slavic Vicariate" -- per UOJ

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ReaderJoJa wrote: Sat 12 July 2025 5:25 pm

Of note might be that Metropolitan Mark of Berlin has been outspoken of it and is seen by some ProMP people as a traitor and secret nazi

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The ROCOR Synod, you asked, made its recent statement by inspiration of a descendant of the Nazi idolaters, a German Metropolitan, his motive was, factually, to allow glorification of Hitler collaborators. The term communism is very broad, your use of it is manipulative: there is a number of aspects of communism, first of all it's an economical theory with elements of milleonarism, but in every country it's a different phenomenon. In Russia that heresy was injected, again, from Germany, but it managed to developed itself on the Russian soil only partly, due to the massive Orthodox matrix. Moreover, the Russians both transformed it, and after certain period get rid of it completely. Idolatry was the pagan ideology of Hitler, which the West, through such "synodal statements" and its secular structures, is now defending, we the Orthodox stood and will keep standing against the idolatry of hitlerism and the Western pseudochristian ideology.

This is from the main guy at asl about the orthodox faith

I'm actually surprised Mark Arndt is against the war, considering he has glorified this Communist "Martyr" Aleksandr Schmorrel and to my knowledge, still refuses to recognize the Royal Martyrs as Martyrs (in the 1980s after the glorification Royal Martyrs by the ROCOR he refused to do so anyway). He's always been very politically "on the left" as well. I would have thought he'd be completely for the Sovok and Silovik clique that has launched this genocidal war.

Credit where credit is to for Mark of Berlin, I suppose. I have to admit I got a laugh from this ridiculous post that reeks of vatnikism on Telegram. Russia rid itself of Communism? If only! The statement about the ROCOR being a group of "Nazi idolaters" is a point the MP has been saying for decades, as even Kirill Gundayev wrote a letter to Putin claiming the glorious ROCOR was "fascist" and schismatic. That letter was on the roacusa.org website even.

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Re: Defrocked ROCOR-MP priest received into the GOARCH's "Slavic Vicariate" -- per UOJ

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SavaBeljovic wrote: Mon 14 July 2025 10:10 pm
ReaderJoJa wrote: Sat 12 July 2025 5:25 pm

Of note might be that Metropolitan Mark of Berlin has been outspoken of it and is seen by some ProMP people as a traitor and secret nazi

From Ask about the orthodox faith Telegram comments...

The ROCOR Synod, you asked, made its recent statement by inspiration of a descendant of the Nazi idolaters, a German Metropolitan, his motive was, factually, to allow glorification of Hitler collaborators. The term communism is very broad, your use of it is manipulative: there is a number of aspects of communism, first of all it's an economical theory with elements of milleonarism, but in every country it's a different phenomenon. In Russia that heresy was injected, again, from Germany, but it managed to developed itself on the Russian soil only partly, due to the massive Orthodox matrix. Moreover, the Russians both transformed it, and after certain period get rid of it completely. Idolatry was the pagan ideology of Hitler, which the West, through such "synodal statements" and its secular structures, is now defending, we the Orthodox stood and will keep standing against the idolatry of hitlerism and the Western pseudochristian ideology.

This is from the main guy at asl about the orthodox faith

I'm actually surprised Mark Arndt is against the war, considering he has glorified this Communist "Martyr" Aleksandr Schmorrel and to my knowledge, still refuses to recognize the Royal Martyrs as Martyrs (in the 1980s after the glorification Royal Martyrs by the ROCOR he refused to do so anyway). He's always been very politically "on the left" as well. I would have thought he'd be completely for the Sovok and Silovik clique that has launched this genocidal war.

Credit where credit is to for Mark of Berlin, I suppose. I have to admit I got a laugh from this ridiculous post that reeks of vatnikism on Telegram. Russia rid itself of Communism? If only! The statement about the ROCOR being a group of "Nazi idolaters" is a point the MP has been saying for decades, as even Kirill Gundayev wrote a letter to Putin claiming the glorious ROCOR was "fascist" and schismatic. That letter was on the roacusa.org website even.

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Re: Defrocked ROCOR-MP priest received into the GOARCH's "Slavic Vicariate" -- per UOJ

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Unseen.Warfare wrote: Tue 15 July 2025 7:44 am
SavaBeljovic wrote: Mon 14 July 2025 10:10 pm
ReaderJoJa wrote: Sat 12 July 2025 5:25 pm

Of note might be that Metropolitan Mark of Berlin has been outspoken of it and is seen by some ProMP people as a traitor and secret nazi

From Ask about the orthodox faith Telegram comments...

The ROCOR Synod, you asked, made its recent statement by inspiration of a descendant of the Nazi idolaters, a German Metropolitan, his motive was, factually, to allow glorification of Hitler collaborators. The term communism is very broad, your use of it is manipulative: there is a number of aspects of communism, first of all it's an economical theory with elements of milleonarism, but in every country it's a different phenomenon. In Russia that heresy was injected, again, from Germany, but it managed to developed itself on the Russian soil only partly, due to the massive Orthodox matrix. Moreover, the Russians both transformed it, and after certain period get rid of it completely. Idolatry was the pagan ideology of Hitler, which the West, through such "synodal statements" and its secular structures, is now defending, we the Orthodox stood and will keep standing against the idolatry of hitlerism and the Western pseudochristian ideology.

This is from the main guy at asl about the orthodox faith

I'm actually surprised Mark Arndt is against the war, considering he has glorified this Communist "Martyr" Aleksandr Schmorrel and to my knowledge, still refuses to recognize the Royal Martyrs as Martyrs (in the 1980s after the glorification Royal Martyrs by the ROCOR he refused to do so anyway). He's always been very politically "on the left" as well. I would have thought he'd be completely for the Sovok and Silovik clique that has launched this genocidal war.

Credit where credit is to for Mark of Berlin, I suppose. I have to admit I got a laugh from this ridiculous post that reeks of vatnikism on Telegram. Russia rid itself of Communism? If only! The statement about the ROCOR being a group of "Nazi idolaters" is a point the MP has been saying for decades, as even Kirill Gundayev wrote a letter to Putin claiming the glorious ROCOR was "fascist" and schismatic. That letter was on the roacusa.org website even.

Thank you Brother! Quite helpful to have it posted in here.

I will also add that I do realize Met. Mark was part of an anti-communist organization and that was the reason why he was arrested (and subsequently released) in Moscow in 1982, but I think his opposition to communism was always a purely political one and not a spiritual one, from what people who knew him at the time have told me.

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Re: Defrocked ROCOR-MP priest received into the GOARCH's "Slavic Vicariate" -- per UOJ

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Met Mark was a member of NTS, to be specific.
That group started out SO well intentioned.

BUT - it was FULL of Soviet agents who easily got into it, causing the deaths of many members in the Soviet Union and in Europe.

I'm not sure I understand though. We're saying Mark was anti-communist politically, but not enough to support the glorification of the Royal Martyrs [anniversary coming in 2 days]

However, he is against the current war ? But WHY specifically ? It didn't sink in.

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Re: Defrocked ROCOR-MP priest received into the GOARCH's "Slavic Vicariate" -- per UOJ

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I don't know Metropolitan Marks ancestry, I do know that most Rocor Bishops trace their lineage back to the Ukraine not Russia. Metropolitan Hilarion and Metropolitan Nicholas are specifically

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