Protocols of the Elders of Zion

[brendan]

No, it's not. The dichotomy it posits is untrue; there is an infinite middle ground between Jewish indifference and Jewish conspiracy, never mind the spurious identity you propose between being Jewish and being an adherent of Judaism.

You are putting words in people's mouths. I don't believe in, nor have I advocated, the idea of a "Jewish Conspiracy." I think its more of a Jewish consensus - a majority of Jews hold certain opinions and attitudes and engage in behaviors and pursue goals based upon those. After all, Jews are constantly accusing us of doing this and that passes without any objection from anyone.

[brendan]

Brendan:

One should be careful when one states that he is speaking for The Church. In point of fact there is NO OFFICIAL teaching by THE CHURCH on the matter of Jews. At least none that has been found in documented history. There are many writings by individuals even bishops but this does not constitute a TEACHING of the church.

Ok, Ben, you have a point. I should have introduced that excerpt differently. Nonetheless, my point was that the position of Chrysostom and others in regard to the Jews is an accepted one. The Fathers obviously criticized the Jews in very harsh terms and this has been accepted within the Orthodox Church for centuries.

[Wheeler]

My reason for my posts is to alert people to the danger of what is happening in our society. Our society is becoming more un-Christian and pagan. But mostly this is not the fault of Christians in a direct sense, only in a secondary sense.

There is a concerted effort to de-Christianize this country and if we don't stop this sliding, God will punish us all. For the Holy Orthodox saints out there, you are going to starve with the rest of us, you are going to be punished with the rest of us, and God said in Scriptures, in that time, even the prayers of the saints will not help.

I'm scared. I fear God. If we don't stop this maddness, God will stop us. Jesus said, When I come back, will I find any faith on earth? My answer is that Jesus will be right, there will be noone here to greet him.

Pat Buchanan just wrote another excellent book, titled, "Where the Right went Wrong". He talks of how these neo-conservatives have captured the conservative movement and directing it towards its "new universalism" contrary to American traditions and traditional philosophy. Charles Krauthhammer, a Jew and a neo-conservative, writes for this "new universalism". Karl Marx and communists have always pushed this universalism. What is it with these Jews and their universalism?

What is the Orthodox Church doing to prevent this and teach the people the true American way? Where is the Orthodox church? Is it even aware? Is it doing its job of "sheparding" the people or is it lost in space?

This is the purpose. Where is the Orthodox Church?

My beef with the orthodox is that they run to the hills, hide in monasteries and let us in the world go to hell in a hand basket.

[George Australia]

What is the Orthodox Church doing to prevent this and teach the people the true American way?

The "true American way"? You mean that nation that was founded by protestant heretics?

[CGW]

What is the Orthodox Church doing to prevent this and teach the people the true American way?

The "true American way"? You mean that nation that was founded by protestant heretics?

Next time you think about your freedoms as an American--

THANK A HERETIC

(that goes for your Australian freedoms too)

[CGW]

No, it's not. The dichotomy it posits is untrue; there is an infinite middle ground between Jewish indifference and Jewish conspiracy, never mind the spurious identity you propose between being Jewish and being an adherent of Judaism.

You are putting words in people's mouths. I don't believe in, nor have I advocated, the idea of a "Jewish Conspiracy."

Well, that wasn't my intention. But I do think that your statement tends in the direction of depicting Judaism as an organized religion which actively directs the Jewish people as a whole in a campaign against Christianity.

Be that as it may, you continue to talk about Jews as if they were an organization. This they most certainly are not, and when "Jews" accuse "people" of general antisemitism, those who do so engage in the same sort of error of generalization that you engage in.

The thing is, Jews are first of all people-- individuals who do not live under a compunction to agree either with their Jewish or Gentile neighbors.

[gphadraig]

Brendan suggests there is no 'Jewish conspiracy' but that a majority of Jews hold a consensus on................ Having grown up with Jewish neighbours, work colleagues, etc., etc., an over-riding impression I get is that if you put two Jews together you come out with three views on whatever is being discussed. Consensus, I don't think they know the meaning of the word let alone hold one. (Sorry, a sweeping generalisation).

Satan has worked against God from the beginning in the Garden of Eden, through the time of the Old Covenant and from the earliest days of the New Covenant. Of those who work against him from Apostolic times have been many who call themselves Christians or whose belief systems stem from Christianity. Various gnostic, mind sciences, social uptopian beliefs, ecumenism and inter-faith activities are clear examples of this working with a satanic delusion. But it would then require us to take some responsiblity, easier to scapegoat and to leave unchallenged that that works against God's work.

Jews rejected the Messiah because he was not what they wanted and a false Messiah will come, he will be embraced by a lot more than Jews. But even some of them will reject this false Messiah. The question surely is, will we?