Alfeyev states that MP recognizes RC "Misteries"

[Priest Siluan]

A MEMBER OF THE HOLY SYNOD OF THE MP STATES THAT HIS CHURCH RECOGNIZES ROMAN CATHOLIC MYSTERIES

“To all intent and purposes, mutual recognition of each others Mysteries already exists between us. We do not have communion in the Mysteries, but we do recognize each others Mysteries”, declared Archbishop Hilarion (Alfeev) on the air during a broadcast of the program “The Church and the World” on the television channel “Russia”, on October 17th (video and text http://vera.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=237432).

“If a Roman Catholic priest converts to Orthodoxy, we receive him as a priest, and we do not re-ordain him. And that means that, de facto, we recognize the Mysteries of the Roman Catholic Church”, explained Archbishop Hilarion.

Responding to the question of whether Roman Catholics can receive Communion from the Orthodox, or Orthodox Christians from the Roman Catholics, Archbishop Hilarion said that such giving of Communion should not take place, inasmuch as “eucharistic communion has been broken” between the Orthodox and Roman Catholics. But, at the same time, he made clear that in some cases such Communion is possible: "Exceptional cases occur, when, for example, a Roman Catholic is dying in some town where there is no Roman Catholic priest at all in the vicinity. So he asks an Orthodox priest to come. Then in such a case, I think, the Orthodox priest should go and give Communion to that person."

Archbishop of Volokolamsk, Vicar of the Patriarch of Moscow, is the Chairman of the Department of External Church Relations, and a Permanent Member of the Holy Synod of the MP. Archbishop Hilarion is a member of the Executive and Central Committees of the World Council of Churches, of the Presidium of ‘Faith and Order’ Commission, as well as of numerous bilateral theological dialogues. In 1998 he headed the 5-member Moscow Patriarchate delegation to the 8th WCC Assembly in Harare, and in February 2006 headed the Moscow Patriarchate's 21-member delegation to the 9th Assembly in Porto-Alegre. Bishop Hilarion is a permanent member of the Joint International Commissions for the Theological Dialogue between the Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church, between the Orthodox Church and the Anglican Church, between the Orthodox Church and the World Alliance of Reformed Churches.

Source: Vertograd, Newsletter No. 76, Wednesday, October 21, 2009

[MPROCORDsdnt]

Pure heresy and anti-Patristic and anti-canonical ecumenist stupidity. Metropolitan Hilarion (Alfeev) and his ROCOR parrot, Fr. Alexander Lebedeff, are heretics and blaspheme the Holy Mysteries thus.

This is precisely why "ecumenical dialogues" and "participation in the WCC" are things to be condemned, eschewed and whatever witness, encounter we have in the future must start with a clean slate where Orthodoxy a priori is understood as THE CHURCH and the pleroma of the Truth, stating that each and every other group which claims to be Christian is utterly deficient in Mysterial grace or ecclesiological constitution. This statement is a result of the regressive degeneracy of "Orthodox" participation in the WCC (and in dialogue with Rome in "consultations") where ecumenist heretics are stating their "agreed statements" which believers haven't been informed of or even know as the new "orthodoxy" of Renovationists and outright sectarian and incompetent "Orthodox" voices in dialogue with the heterodox. So much for "conciliarity"--the ecumenists establish their deformed view of it at the WCC and then try to impose it on the Church as some sort of ecumenical popes.

Enough. There is a reason the hierarch of Volokolamsk is being called a heretic in his own cathedral by his own parishoners.

Jason Bently

[jgress]

Pure heresy and anti-Patristic and anti-canonical ecumenist stupidity. Metropolitan Hilarion (Alfeev) and his ROCOR parrot, Fr. Alexander Lebedeff, are heretics and blaspheme the Holy Mysteries thus.

This is precisely why "ecumenical dialogues" and "participation in the WCC" are things to be condemned, eschewed and whatever witness, encounter we have in the future must start with a clean slate where Orthodoxy a priori is understood as THE CHURCH and the pleroma of the Truth, stating that each and every other group which claims to be Christian is utterly deficient in Mysterial grace or ecclesiological constitution. This statement is a result of the regressive degeneracy of "Orthodox" participation in the WCC (and in dialogue with Rome in "consultations") where ecumenist heretics are stating their "agreed statements" which believers haven't been informed of or even know as the new "orthodoxy" of Renovationists and outright sectarian and incompetent "Orthodox" voices in dialogue with the heterodox. So much for "conciliarity"--the ecumenists establish their deformed view of it at the WCC and then try to impose it on the Church as some sort of ecumenical popes.

Enough. There is a reason the hierarch of Volokolamsk is being called a heretic in his own cathedral by his own parishoners.

Jason Bently

This is basically a correct assessment of the ecumenical movement, but, again, it is pointless for a True Orthodox to be scandalized by the latest antics of the World Orthodox.

[MPROCORDsdnt]

Well, a "TOC" wasn't scandalized by it--I wrote my brief opinion of it in a section dedicated to "World Orthodoxy." So it is appropriate to discuss just that in this place and weigh various views seriously. Elsewise delete the section entitled "world Orthodoxy" and require "Priest blessings" for "TOC only" discussions and POVs like certain Matthewites do.

Jason Bently

[jgress]

Well, a "TOC" wasn't scandalized by it--I wrote my brief opinion of it in a section dedicated to "World Orthodoxy." So it is appropriate to discuss just that in this place and weigh various views seriously. Elsewise delete the section entitled "world Orthodoxy" and require "Priest blessings" for "TOC only" discussions and POVs like certain Matthewites do.

Jason Bently

Forgive me, I was only offering my personal opinion, not an official position. You are permitted to be scandalized by whatever you want.

[MPROCORDsdnt]

Yes, and the local Orthodox churches seem to be just as scandalized as almost all of them have condemned, even anathemized, freemasonry.

But then again, worship of Lucifer is no "scandal" to the TOC. Are you sure you all aren't a Mormon breakaway group?!

Jason Bently

[Priest Siluan]

Dear Jason:

We should be in a good and holy time of Great Lent, very far of any provocation and scandals.

It is my very humble opinion.

in Christ

Priest Siluan