Dread Dangers of Western Medicine

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Re: Dread Dangers of Western Medicine

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I have to agree with the girls on this question, mainstream medicine is largely a fraud. Generally it seems to create illness to ensure a constant need to manage symptoms. This begins with vaccinations, which do not confer immunity, but do severely damage the immune system of babies and small children before it has a chance to develop. Healthy people are worth nothing to the industry, that's why so many cures are suppressed and natural remedies are constantly attacked with the claim that there is no proof, they can be dangerous etc. Codswallop. They were the cures and remedies the unmercenary saints were using, but that are now suppressed, and the Fathers teaching that we should not refuse medical aid because it is given by God does not apply to mainstream medicine like vaccinations, chemotherapy, pharmaceutical symptom management, psychiatric drugging etc.

I don't know how anyone can say allopathy has done much good when it is the leading cause of death.

From the article 'ARE MOST DISEASES CAUSED BY THE MEDICAL SYSTEM?':

Increasingly over the years my health beliefs have been turned around. I started out by working as a biochemist and toxicologist in university medical departments fully believing that all these chronic and incurable diseases are indeed incurable and generally of unknown origin, but that pharmaceutical drugs made life easier for patients and often were even curative. My re-education started after immigrating to New Zealand and learning about natural healing and living; this made me realize that disease is mainly caused by unnatural living conditions and can be overcome by natural methods of living and healing.

While I learned about the harmful nature of drug treatment, I was still thinking of it as being ineffective and causing side-effects rather than as a main cause of our diseases. Diseases caused by medical treatment are called iatrogenic diseases. The total number of iatrogenic deaths in the USA for 2001 is estimated to be 783,936. These were due to fatal drug reactions, medical error and unnecessary medical and surgical procedures. With this, the medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the United States. In comparison the 2001 heart disease death rate was 699,697 and the annual cancer death rate 553,251 (1).

This is also the reason why it is so beneficial for patients when doctors go on strike. Statistics show that whenever there was a strike by doctors, the death rate in the affected population fell dramatically. In 1976 the death rate fell by 35 per cent in Bogotá, Colombia. In Los Angeles County, California, it fell by 18 per cent during a strike in the same year, while in Israel it fell by 50 per cent during a strike in 1973. Only once before was there a similar drop in the death rate in Israel and that was during another doctors' strike 20 years earlier. After each strike the death rate jumped again to its normal level (2).

However these figures of iatrogenic deaths do not take into account iatrogenic diseases from the long-term harm done by medical treatments where patients survive but with a chronic disease. My real awakening to this problem started when I became aware of the story of Orion Truss who discovered the Candidiasis-causing potential of antibiotics.

Full article here:

http://www.whale.to/a/last1.html

Even the germ theory has never been proven but was the result of clever marketing:

http://www.whale.to/vaccine/shea1.html

Politics never changes. The same type of thinking that imprisoned Galileo long ago for discovering that the earth went around the sun, the rulers' eternal attempt to control the minds of their subjects, these are the forces that cast Pasteur, an ambitious opportunist, into a position he may not have deserved - the supposed Trailblazer in the science of modern biomedicine.

Funny how things often don't really get "discovered" until the commercial aspects of that discovery have been worked out.

Howard Hencke, in his 1995 book The Germ Theory: A Deliberate Aberration, notes that it was critical for the new medical industry.

"... to indoctrinate the public in the Western world with the belief that the salvation from all, especially physical ailments, lay outside the individual's system and responsibility, because it was caused by external factors...and that chemical remedies (drugs) will keep him free from disease, independent of his own vigilant responsibility."

We're talking about marketing here, yes?

The author of the long-suppressed work Pasteur or Bechamp? states:

"Had it not been for the mass selling of vaccines, Pasteur's germ theory of disease would have collapsed into obscurity."

  • E. Douglas Hume

Some 17 years before Pasteur, the most famous nurse in history, Florence Nightengale, put it like this:

"Diseases are not individuals arranged in classes like cats and dogs, but conditions growing out of one another. The specific disease is the grand refuge of the weak, uncultured, unstable minds, such as now rule in the medical profession. There are no specific diseases; there are specific disease conditions."
F.N. 1860

The author of this article, Tim O'Shea, has an excellent website called 'The Doctor Within,' here:

http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/ This was the site where I first got a full education on health by reading through the 'Chapters' section.

Greed? Check this out:

Full article: 50 Signs That The U.S. Health Care System Is A Gigantic Money Making Scam http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/arch ... o-collapse

#1 Medical bills have become so ridiculously large that virtually nobody can afford them. Just check out the following short excerpt from a recent Time Magazine article. One man in California that had been diagnosed with cancer ran up nearly a million dollars in hospital bills before he died...

By the time Steven D. died at his home in Northern California the following November, he had lived for an additional 11 months. And Alice had collected bills totaling $902,452. The family’s first bill — for $348,000 — which arrived when Steven got home from the Seton Medical Center in Daly City, Calif., was full of all the usual chargemaster profit grabs: $18 each for 88 diabetes-test strips that Amazon sells in boxes of 50 for $27.85; $24 each for 19 niacin pills that are sold in drugstores for about a nickel apiece. There were also four boxes of sterile gauze pads for $77 each. None of that was considered part of what was provided in return for Seton’s facility charge for the intensive-care unit for two days at $13,225 a day, 12 days in the critical unit at $7,315 a day and one day in a standard room (all of which totaled $120,116 over 15 days). There was also $20,886 for CT scans and $24,251 for lab work.

#2 This year the American people will spend approximately 2.8 trillion dollars on health care, and it is being projected that Americans will spend 4.5 trillion dollars on health care in 2019.

#3 The United States spends more on health care than Japan, Germany, France, China, the U.K., Italy, Canada, Brazil, Spain and Australia combined.

#4 If the U.S. health care system was a country, it would be the 6th largest economy on the entire planet.

#5 Back in 1960, an average of $147 was spent per person on health care in the United States. By 2009, that number had skyrocketed to $8,086.

#6 Why does it cost so much to stay in a hospital today? It just does not make sense. Just check out these numbers...

In 1942, Christ Hospital, NJ charged $7 per day for a maternity room. Today it’s $1,360.

#7 Approximately 60 percent of all personal bankruptcies in the United States are related to medical bills.

#8 One study discovered that approximately 41 percent of all working age Americans either have medical bill problems or are currently paying off medical debt.

#9 The U.S. health care industry has spent more than 5 billion dollars on lobbying our politicians in Washington D.C. since 1998.

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Excellent short history of Allopathic versus empiric medicine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NheKUW6kGuY

The usual suspects - follow the money 8)

It is a short section taken from the full video Cancer - the Forbidden Cures:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsOPzBHPsqM

I have not watched it all, but it seems good so far.

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Here Chinese traditional medicine has its' fans and its' dangers. Dangers include ingredients that are toxic. Herbal medicines too may be ineffective and/or toxic. Lots of hype and too little research or safety protocols for so-called natural products. Indeed the term natural is so over used in advertising as to have become meaningless. Many toxic substances, e.g. belladonna, might be described as 'natural' but you wouldn't want to be taking it.

A different approach with much to recommend it is a regime of healthy eating, exercise such as walking and swimming, and a good sleep pattern (there speaks an insomniac). A Mediterranean style diet in particular has much to offer.

Too ready resort to vitamins, medication or dubious practices such as reflexology with its' ridiculous pretensions is not always a route to well being. Too frequent resort to painkillers too often leads to the very problem the user is seeking to avoid. (I pick on reflexology as a family member took it up but needed help with the anatomy and physiology aspects of the course. Reading through the theoretical 'basis' was like reading poorly thought out science fiction. The technique is in itself relaxing, but the theory is something else). Homeopathy has no basis in science whatsoever. Lots of adherents, true. But all sorts of 'pet' theories abound and in themselves prove nothing save our susceptibility to be taken in.

But in seeking to reign in our overuse of medications I feel moderate language rather than a wholesale and hysterical rejection of allopathic medicine is the sounder approach. Quackery is no more likely to heal than a lazy conventional medical practitioner who doesn't do his or her homework and who is less than honest about the limitations of any school of healing. For some conditions talking and exercise is better than a pill. Here I have in mind mild to moderate depressive illness.

Most illness is not caused by Western medicine but by poverty, a lack of access to a balanced diet or clean water, the all too common Western lifestyle and pollution. Examples of damaging Western lifestyle must include obesity, the intake of intoxicants, sexual promiscuity and a lack of exercise. We like to blame the pharmaceutical and medical industries. Or non-scientific theories on the harm of childhood immunity injections. Well here in the UK recently there has been a significant fall in the uptake of MMR vaccination because of scares relating to possible harm following such vaccination. Result, herd immunity levels dropped, children became severely ill and worse and we had a public health crisis.

During the 1939-1945 period of war time rationing and food shortages the population was slimmer and healthier. Our health depends far more on our choices than simply scapegoating something else, whether it is theories about the pharmaceutical industry or sinister inter-governmental actions.

I trust neither industries or governments more than anyone else but piety is not the obverse of naivety.

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non-scientific theories on the harm of childhood immunity injections.

You may not be aware of the case against vaccines. I presume you have not actually researched or attempted to understand the reasons so many people are rejecting vaccination. Probably you have always just assumed that since it is a widely accepted practice, it must be okay.

Please read through the article I have linked to in this post, and if you can, prove any of these facts wrong, or explain why you call them 'non-scientific theories.'

http://www.naturalnews.com/042012_vacci ... z2fieq7FYv

FACT #1) Yes, mercury is still used in vaccines, and the CDC openly admits it. There is NO safe level of mercury for injecting into a human child. Not even "trace" levels. There is NO evidence of safety for mercury at any dose whatsoever. Any doctor who says the level of mercury in a vaccine is "safe" to inject into a child is only demonstrating their outrageous ignorance of scientific facts.

Mercury is arguably the most neurotoxic element on the entire Table of Elements. It is used in vaccines for the convenience of the vaccine manufacturer at the expense of the safety of the child. Any doctor who injects mercury into a child -- at any dose! -- should be immediately stripped of their medical license.

Full article: 10 outrageous (but true) facts about vaccines the CDC and the vaccine industry don't want you to know

http://www.naturalnews.com/042012_vacci ... z2fieq7FYv

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Wonderful, Arcmode ! You are truly shining with light and truth !

I am coming back to read carefully all these posts, but I caught the word "insomniac" and
wanted to interject to ask Stephen if he suffers from this - REALLY ?
That is TERRIBLE !

What can we do to help you with this trying problem ??

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Maria wrote:

We must realize that during World War II, the Americans and Brits were instructed not to bomb the German pharmaceutical companies, where the Nazis stored their ammunition. Why was this so?

Why has the FDA turned a deaf ear to the reports of dangerous drug side effects that are causing suicides in teenagers and adults who are taking antidepressants? Why has the FDA refused to ban the dangerous statin drugs, but instead is recommending that statin drugs be taken by almost all senior citizens or anyone who has a "normal" blood pressure of 120/80?

Why were two of my previous doctor subjected to intensive FDA investigations where these federal agents trashed their offices when their only crime was that they were devout Christians who refused to prescribe drugs but who sought more natural means of healing people according to the Hippocratic Oath which they took?

And why do the main stream doctors support euthenasia and abortion??? This is completely against their oath to preserve life, not end it. Murders end lives.

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Why WAS it so about the refraining from bombing Pharmaceuticals in Germany, Maria ?
I didn't read the whole latter part of the thread yet. Will return to study in detail.

So I may have missed a point there.

I am furious about the bombing of Dresden and the complete devastation of Berlin. Totally unnecessary
and evil. An aside which belongs in this Controversial section for sure! We are all supposed to be patriots for America
but some actions even back then were reprehensible.

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