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Prelate decries anti-Western "climate of hatred"

Faithful sing as they gather for a vigil prayer in Rome's St. Mary in Trastevere church to commemorate the death of Italian priest Andrea Santoro, Monday, Feb. 6, 2006. Santoro was killed in the church of Trabzon, Turkey, by a man who fired two bullets in his back. His killer, who witnesses say screamed 'Allahu Akbar,' Arabic for 'God is great,' before shooting, was still on the loose Monday in Turkey, a 99 percent Muslim country where thousands have protested the publication in European newspapers of provocative cartoons depicting Islam's most revered prophet as a terrorist. (AP Photo/Pier Paolo Cito)
Rome, Feb. 08 (CWNews.com) - Cardinal Paul Poupard expressed concern about "the climate of hatred in anti-Western culture," in remarks to the Italian daily Il Messaggero.

The French prelate, who is president of the Pontifical Council for Culture, was commenting on the murder of Father Andrea Santoro in Turkey, and more broadly on the violent anti-Western demonstrations that have spread through the Islamic world.

Cardinal Poupard noted that the young man who killed Father Santoro had said that he was motivated by outrage over the cartoons published in European newspapers mocking Islam. The killer's confession shows "the climate of hatred" that threatens Christians, the cardinal remarked.

In fact, the cardinal continued, the victim of this killing was a priest who had been working to establish fraternal dialogue with his Muslim neighbors. So the murder illustrates "the mystery of good and evil," he observed. "But evil will not have the last word."

The rising hostility of Muslims toward the West is aggravated, Cardinal Poupard said, by the militant secularism that mocks all religious beliefs. This attitude sometimes produces "acts that some people find gravely offensive," he noted, and the results "can inflame the world."

"We have to be more responsible," the cardinal argued. He said that all people should "show respect for each form of belief," recognizing that "faith is always personal."

Acknowledging that inflammatory statements and gestures can be defended on the grounds of freedom of expression, Cardinal Poupard countered that "those who defend freedom with self-control are not enemies of freedom."

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More proof of who's REALY behind 9/11

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How a meeting of leaders in Mecca set off the cartoon wars around the world
By Daniel Howden, David Hardaker in Cairo and Stephen Castle in Brussels
Published: 10 February 2006
A summit of Muslim nations held in Mecca in December may have played a key role in stoking outraged protests across the Islamic world against a series of caricatures of the Prophet Mohamed.

A dossier of the cartoons, which was compiled by Danish Muslims, was handed around the sidelines of the meeting, attended by 57 Islamic nations including leaders such as Iran's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and the Saudi King, Abdullah.

The meeting in Islam's holiest city appears to have been a catalyst for turning local anger at the images into a matter of public, and often violent, protest in Muslim nations. It also persuaded countries such as Syria and Iran to give media exposure to the cartoon controversy in their state-controlled press.

Muhammed El Sayed Said, the deputy director of the Al Ahram Centre for Political and Strategic Studies, an independent studies centre, said the Mecca meeting was a turning point in internationalising the cartoons issue. "Things started to get really bad once the Islamic conference picked it up," he said. "Iran and Syria contributed to fomenting reaction. It came to the point where everyone had to score a point to be seen as championing the cause of Islam."

The emergency summit of the Organisation of the Islamic conference (OIC) on 6 December was originally called to address terrorism and sectarian violence between Shia and Sunni Muslims, but came to be dominated by the cartoons, originally published in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten in September.

The OIC issued a condemnation of the cartoons: "[We express our] concern at rising hatred against Islam and Muslims and condemned the recent incident of desecration of the image of the Holy Prophet Mohamed."

The communique went on to attack the practice of "using the freedom of expression as a pretext for defaming religions".

After the expanded media coverage in Iran, Afghanistan, Syria, Lebanon and the Palestinian territories, the violent protests began. At least 10 people have been killed across the Islamic world as a result of these protests.

Sari Hanafi, an associate professor at the American University in Beirut, said the cartoons had provided Arab governments under pressure from the West for democratic reforms with an opportunity to hit back in the public opinion stakes.

"[Demonstrations] started as a visceral reaction - of course they were offended - and then you had regimes taking advantage saying, 'Look this is the democracy they're talking about'," he told The New York Times.

Ahmed Akkari, a Lebanese-born Dane and spokesman for a group of Danish Muslims, said the Mecca summit had been the culmination of campaign to publicise the offending cartoons.

The group assembled a 43-page dossier that included several unpublished caricatures. However, Mr Akkari denies allegations that the second set of cartoons - which were faxed to Muslim groups by far-right extremists after they protested against the original images - were presented to Muslim leaders without distinction.

The published cartoons in the dossier were in colour and the unpublished ones were clearly marked and in black and white, Mr Akkari said.

After a number of failed attempts to highlight the issue to Muslim ambassadors in Denmark, Mr Akkari was part of a delegation that flew to Cairo in early December where they met the Grand Mufti and the Foreign Minister, Abdoul Gheit.

"We thought we would mobilise influential people so that they could give us their voice in Denmark," he said.

Ahmed Abu Laban, a radical cleric and leading critic of the cartoons in Denmark, said the purpose of the delegation to the Middle East was to raise awareness, not to stoke anger.

"We have been addressing the issue with a cool head; we were trying to seek academic and religious help from the Middle East. We are not professional enough to know what would be the response of media, nor the interest of politicians there," he said.

Mr Akkari said that the violent fallout was not their intention when they compiled the dossier. "We did not expect it to end up in such a situation, and with violence and for people to use it politically. This has now gone further than we had expected."

Image that launched 1,000 protests

  • 17 SEPTEMBER 2005: Danish newspaper Politiken reports a writer failed to find an artist for a book about Mohamed because of fear of reprisals.

  • 30 SEPTEMBER: Twelve cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohamed are published in Jyllands-Posten as a protest against self-censorship.

  • 2 OCTOBER: Danish Prime Minister, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, hears complaints from 10 Arab ambassadors.

  • 14 OCTOBER: 5,000 people march through Copenhagen to protest against the cartoons.

  • 21 OCTOBER: Mr Fogh Rasmussen refuses to meet the 10 ambassadors, saying his government is unable to interfere with press freedom.

  • 27 OCTOBER: Danish Muslim groups file a criminal complaint against Jyllands-Posten.

  • DECEMBER 2005 - JANUARY 2006: The coalition of Danish Muslim groups travels to the Middle East. Delegates at the Islamic Conference in Mecca talk of boycotting Danish goods.

  • 7 JANUARY: Prosecutors decide there is no case to answer against Jyllands-Posten.

  • 10 JANUARY: Norwegian Christian magazine Magazinet reprints the cartoons.

*27 JANUARY: Saudi Arabia calls for a boycott of Danish goods and recalls ambassador.

  • 28 JANUARY: Danish-Swedish dairy giant Arla places adverts in Middle Eastern papers to calm the row.

  • 29 JANUARY: Libya recalls its envoy.Jyllands-Posten prints an Arabic editorial saying the cartoons were printed as a test of public expression.

  • 30 JANUARY: Editor of Jyllands-Posten apologises as masked gunmen briefly storm the EU's offices in Gaza.

  • 31 JANUARY: Denmark advises its citizens not to travel to Saudi Arabia.

  • 1 FEBRUARY: Seven newspapers across Europe republish the cartoons in solidarity with Jyllands-Posten.

  • 2 FEBRUARY: Jordanian paper Shihan becomes the first in the Arab world to reprint the cartoons saying its decision was made to show their readers "the extent of the Danish offence". The editor is fired.

  • 3 FEBRUARY: As 50,000 people protest in Gaza, a small group of Muslim radicals hold a demonstration in London.

  • 4 FEBRUARY: Violent protests spread to Damascus.

  • 5 FEBRUARY: Danish embassy in Beirut set alight as Iran recalls its ambassador in Copenhagen.

  • 6 FEBRUARY: Protests spread to Indonesia, Malaysia and Afghanistan.

  • 7 FEBRUARY: Denmark's embassy in Tehran is attacked.

  • 8 FEBRUARY: George Bush accuses Iran and Syria of exploiting the cartoons.

A summit of Muslim nations held in Mecca in December may have played a key role in stoking outraged protests across the Islamic world against a series of caricatures of the Prophet Mohamed.

A dossier of the cartoons, which was compiled by Danish Muslims, was handed around the sidelines of the meeting, attended by 57 Islamic nations including leaders such as Iran's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and the Saudi King, Abdullah.

The meeting in Islam's holiest city appears to have been a catalyst for turning local anger at the images into a matter of public, and often violent, protest in Muslim nations. It also persuaded countries such as Syria and Iran to give media exposure to the cartoon controversy in their state-controlled press.

Muhammed El Sayed Said, the deputy director of the Al Ahram Centre for Political and Strategic Studies, an independent studies centre, said the Mecca meeting was a turning point in internationalising the cartoons issue. "Things started to get really bad once the Islamic conference picked it up," he said. "Iran and Syria contributed to fomenting reaction. It came to the point where everyone had to score a point to be seen as championing the cause of Islam."

The emergency summit of the Organisation of the Islamic conference (OIC) on 6 December was originally called to address terrorism and sectarian violence between Shia and Sunni Muslims, but came to be dominated by the cartoons, originally published in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten in September.

The OIC issued a condemnation of the cartoons: "[We express our] concern at rising hatred against Islam and Muslims and condemned the recent incident of desecration of the image of the Holy Prophet Mohamed."

The communique went on to attack the practice of "using the freedom of expression as a pretext for defaming religions".

After the expanded media coverage in Iran, Afghanistan, Syria, Lebanon and the Palestinian territories, the violent protests began. At least 10 people have been killed across the Islamic world as a result of these protests.

Sari Hanafi, an associate professor at the American University in Beirut, said the cartoons had provided Arab governments under pressure from the West for democratic reforms with an opportunity to hit back in the public opinion stakes.

"[Demonstrations] started as a visceral reaction - of course they were offended - and then you had regimes taking advantage saying, 'Look this is the democracy they're talking about'," he told The New York Times.

Ahmed Akkari, a Lebanese-born Dane and spokesman for a group of Danish Muslims, said the Mecca summit had been the culmination of campaign to publicise the offending cartoons.

The group assembled a 43-page dossier that included several unpublished caricatures. However, Mr Akkari denies allegations that the second set of cartoons - which were faxed to Muslim groups by far-right extremists after they protested against the original images - were presented to Muslim leaders without distinction.

The published cartoons in the dossier were in colour and the unpublished ones were clearly marked and in black and white, Mr Akkari said.

After a number of failed attempts to highlight the issue to Muslim ambassadors in Denmark, Mr Akkari was part of a delegation that flew to Cairo in early December where they met the Grand Mufti and the Foreign Minister, Abdoul Gheit.

"We thought we would mobilise influential people so that they could give us their voice in Denmark," he said.
Ahmed Abu Laban, a radical cleric and leading critic of the cartoons in Denmark, said the purpose of the delegation to the Middle East was to raise awareness, not to stoke anger.

"We have been addressing the issue with a cool head; we were trying to seek academic and religious help from the Middle East. We are not professional enough to know what would be the response of media, nor the interest of politicians there," he said.

Mr Akkari said that the violent fallout was not their intention when they compiled the dossier. "We did not expect it to end up in such a situation, and with violence and for people to use it politically. This has now gone further than we had expected."

Image that launched 1,000 protests

  • 17 SEPTEMBER 2005: Danish newspaper Politiken reports a writer failed to find an artist for a book about Mohamed because of fear of reprisals.

  • 30 SEPTEMBER: Twelve cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohamed are published in Jyllands-Posten as a protest against self-censorship.

  • 2 OCTOBER: Danish Prime Minister, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, hears complaints from 10 Arab ambassadors.

  • 14 OCTOBER: 5,000 people march through Copenhagen to protest against the cartoons.

  • 21 OCTOBER: Mr Fogh Rasmussen refuses to meet the 10 ambassadors, saying his government is unable to interfere with press freedom.

  • 27 OCTOBER: Danish Muslim groups file a criminal complaint against Jyllands-Posten.

  • DECEMBER 2005 - JANUARY 2006: The coalition of Danish Muslim groups travels to the Middle East. Delegates at the Islamic Conference in Mecca talk of boycotting Danish goods.

  • 7 JANUARY: Prosecutors decide there is no case to answer against Jyllands-Posten.

  • 10 JANUARY: Norwegian Christian magazine Magazinet reprints the cartoons.

*27 JANUARY: Saudi Arabia calls for a boycott of Danish goods and recalls ambassador.

  • 28 JANUARY: Danish-Swedish dairy giant Arla places adverts in Middle Eastern papers to calm the row.

  • 29 JANUARY: Libya recalls its envoy.Jyllands-Posten prints an Arabic editorial saying the cartoons were printed as a test of public expression.

  • 30 JANUARY: Editor of Jyllands-Posten apologises as masked gunmen briefly storm the EU's offices in Gaza.

  • 31 JANUARY: Denmark advises its citizens not to travel to Saudi Arabia.

  • 1 FEBRUARY: Seven newspapers across Europe republish the cartoons in solidarity with Jyllands-Posten.

  • 2 FEBRUARY: Jordanian paper Shihan becomes the first in the Arab world to reprint the cartoons saying its decision was made to show their readers "the extent of the Danish offence". The editor is fired.

  • 3 FEBRUARY: As 50,000 people protest in Gaza, a small group of Muslim radicals hold a demonstration in London.

  • 4 FEBRUARY: Violent protests spread to Damascus.

  • 5 FEBRUARY: Danish embassy in Beirut set alight as Iran recalls its ambassador in Copenhagen.

  • 6 FEBRUARY: Protests spread to Indonesia, Malaysia and Afghanistan.

  • 7 FEBRUARY: Denmark's embassy in Tehran is attacked.

  • 8 FEBRUARY: George Bush accuses Iran and Syria of exploiting the cartoons.

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Asian Muslims Hold Biggest Rallies Yet

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ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) - Tens of thousands of Muslims demonstrated against drawings of the Prophet Muhammed after Friday prayers around the world and Iranian youths rioted outside the French Embassy in Tehran despite calls for calm by governments and religious leaders.

Malaysian Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi, meanwhile, warned of a "huge chasm that has emerged between the West and Islam," particularly because of Muslim frustrations at Western policies toward Iraq, Afghanistan and the Palestinians.

While many of the demonstrations were peaceful, up to 60 young men and women hurled stones, firecrackers and firebombs at the French Embassy in the Iranian capital, smashing almost every window on its street facade and starting a small fire near the gate.

"Down! Down with France! Down! Down with Israel," the crowd chanted. More than 100 policemen deployed around the embassy and officers used loudspeakers to urge the protesters to disperse.

Police in Kenya shot and injured one person while trying to keep hundreds of protesters from marching to the residence of Denmark's ambassador. Demonstrators also clashed with police in Pakistan and Egypt.

Rallies in Asia were the largest on the continent since protests erupted throughout the Muslim world over the drawings first published in a Danish newspaper in September and recently reprinted in other European publications. One depicted the prophet with a turban shaped like a bomb with a burning fuse.

Some Muslim leaders in the Middle East, including Kuwait's parliament and Iraq's top Shiite politician, have appealed for calm, saying violence is unhelpful and unnecessary. No major demonstrations were held in Mideast and North African cities Thursday.

But rallies erupted again on Friday. In Pakistan, protesters burned Danish cheese while others clashed with police. The largest gathering was in the capital, Islamabad, where 5,000 supporters of radical Islamic groups demonstrated peacefully in the center of the capital.

Thousands also demonstrated in Malaysia, Bangladesh, India and Sri Lanka, while smaller rallies were held in Indonesia and the Philippines. Some protested outside mosques while others marched on Danish diplomatic missions.

In Egypt, some protesters clashed with police who tried to disperse them with water canons and tear gas. Thousands of Palestinians in Gaza rallied, some firing rifles in the air and others burning Danish flags. About 2,000 Muslim worshippers marched in Jordan under tight security.

The editor of a small Christian newspaper in Norway - the second to publish the drawings, on Jan. 10 - apologized Friday for offending Muslims. Magazinet editor Vebjoern Selbekk said he failed to foresee the pain and anger the drawings would cause.

Many Muslims considered the caricatures offensive to Islam, which is interpreted to bar images of the revered prophet. The Danish newspaper that first published the drawings has apologized for offending Muslims but the Danish government has said it cannot apologize for something done by its free press.

In Pakistan, Mian Aslam, a leader of a coalition of Islamic groups, delivered a fiery speech urging Pakistan to sever ties with any country where the drawings were published. The turnout in Islamabad was the biggest in Pakistan since protests against the cartoons began about a week ago.

About 2,000 protesters briefly clashed with police in the northwestern Pakistani city of Peshawar, where they burned foreign-made dairy products. The crowd attacked shops before they were charged by police. At least half a dozen small protests were held around the southern city of Karachi.

In Kenya, thousands of demonstrators, shouting "Down with Denmark!" marched from the largest mosque in downtown Nairobi to Kenya's foreign ministry, to deliver a protest note. At least 200 demonstrators tried to go the home of the Danish envoy, triggering clashes with anti-riot police in which one person was injured.

Israeli police in Jerusalem unsuccessfully tried to prevent protests by barring all men under the age of 45 from attending Friday prayers at the Al Aqsa mosque compound in the Old City, Islam's third-holiest site. Despite the efforts, about 2,000 women, young boys and older men marched around the Dome of the Rock shrine on the compound, chanting "Bin Laden, strike again."

In Malaysia's largest city, Kuala Lumpur, about 3,000 protesters marched from a mosque to the high rise building housing the Danish Embassy shouting: "Long live Islam. Destroy Denmark. Destroy Israel. Destroy George Bush. Destroy America!"

Meanwhile, a U.S. official praised Indonesia and Malaysia for their handling of the controversy, saying the two countries proved that Islam and democracy were compatible.

"The protests dissipated fairly quickly and there was a public discussion of it," said Eric John, deputy assistant secretary of state for East Asian and Pacific affairs.

Small demonstrations were also held in Indonesia, where protesters burned tires in one town.

Denmark earlier this week advised its citizens to leave Indonesia after its embassy was stormed by a mob and pelted with eggs.

Australian Prime Minister John Howard said Friday he considered the violent reactions to the cartoons "are completely disproportionate to the offense that could possibly have been given."

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Iconophili,

Do you honestly believe that Israel is responsible for the 9/11 attacks?? Is that what you are saying by posting this article? Why do you think that?
What is the purpose of the forum at this point? Do the moderators defend anti-semitism? Do some Orthodox posters on this site truly hate Jews to the extent that they believe such rumors have ANY credibility whatever?
I am not a supporterof Israel unconditionally, far from it, but that is not the same as this form of real virulent anti-semitism, which NEVER leads Christians to a good place.

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I would lend the original story near 0 credence. There is plenty to be angry with Israel about (USS Liberty); but the above story appears to be mostly a myth.

Now there may have been Israelis happy and even celebrating 9-11; Churchhill could barely contain his delight hearing about Pearl Harbor. Just as the British didn't aid Japan in bombing Pearl, Israel had nothing to do with 9-11, but they might have been caught celebrating.

Real spies do not call attention to themselves.

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sue57 wrote:

Iconophili,

Do you honestly believe that Israel is responsible for the 9/11 attacks?? Is that what you are saying by posting this article? Why do you think that?
What is the purpose of the forum at this point? Do the moderators defend anti-semitism? Do some Orthodox posters on this site truly hate Jews to the extent that they believe such rumors have ANY credibility whatever?
I am not a supporterof Israel unconditionally, far from it, but that is not the same as this form of real virulent anti-semitism, which NEVER leads Christians to a good place.

So the DEA is also lying right?, so there are no Prophecie's by Saints talking about Jews gaining economoc control in the future, hu?

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