MODERATION: The personal attacks are forbidden

[Reader Nicholas]

Is telling the truth about HOCNA and how it came into existance allowed or is it the practice of this board to obfuscate the truth? I kow that Chrisian love is not pratice here but I would hope the lieing can be kept to a minimum.

Nicholas Trahan

[尼古拉前执事]

Sean is correct HOCNA isnt represented on the Old Calendar map, Why?

When we made the map, we had to have some ground rules as to who we would list. The churches listed have their roots in the original hierarchs of the Catacomb Churches of Russia, the Greek Old Calendarists, and the old Russian Orthodox Church Abroad.

Our first rule was that they had to have the so-called "Strict Ecclesiology" which precluded the so-called "Cyprianite Ecclesiology" of the Synod In Resistance and Milan Synod.

Our second rule, as a matter of conscience was to not list any synod that was formed when a "geronda" was called to ecclesiastical trial for moral crimes of homosexuality and instead of appearing at said ecclesiastical trial, fled their synod and formed a new one, thus precluding HOCNA and the Lamian/Makarian synods from the map.

This is not a judgment on the guilt of the "gerondas" who left when called to trial, but simply a decision we made as not violate out own consciences.

As for the map working, it should work on any computer with the latest version of any modern, safe web browser such as Mozilla Firefox or Opera.

[Sean]

Our second rule, as a matter of conscience was to not list any synod that was formed when a "geronda" was called to ecclesiastical trial for moral crimes of homosexuality and instead of appearing at said ecclesiastical trial, fled their synod and formed a new one, thus precluding HOCNA and the Lamian/Makarian synods from the map.

This is not a judgment on the guilt of the "gerondas" who left when called to trial, but simply a decision we made as not violate out own consciences.

But of course you take exception to this rule when it applies to your own first hierarch. By the time the Elder was called to kangaroo court on trumped up charges, we had already left ROCOR over ecumenism. Your Met. Valentine was accused of similar charges and actually did leave the Synod meeting. Are you saying that our explanation for ROCOR's treachery isn't valid, but your first hierarch's is? Needless to say I don't believe the charges against either man, but your reasoning for excluding HOCNA from your MAP is utterly hypocritical unless you exclude your own jurisdiction as well.

[Reader Nicholas]

Our second rule, as a matter of conscience was to not list any synod that was formed when a "geronda" was called to ecclesiastical trial for moral crimes of homosexuality and instead of appearing at said ecclesiastical trial, fled their synod and formed a new one, thus precluding HOCNA and the Lamian/Makarian synods from the map.

This is not a judgment on the guilt of the "gerondas" who left when called to trial, but simply a decision we made as not violate out own consciences.

But of course you take exception to this rule when it applies to your own first hierarch. By the time the Elder was called to kangaroo court on trumped up charges, we had already left ROCOR over ecumenism. Your Met. Valentine was accused of similar charges and actually did leave the Synod meeting. Are you saying that our explanation for ROCOR's treachery isn't valid, but your first hierarch's is? Needless to say I don't believe the charges against either man, but your reasoning for excluding HOCNA from your MAP is utterly hypocritical unless you exclude your own jurisdiction as well.

Sean,

When HOCNA came into existance the leaders of HTM were gayer than Liberace.You may wish to hide your head in the sand all you want but the truth is the truth.

As for the so-called "strict ecclesiology" well. Thank God for it because it allows for Christian Love.

As for ROCOR being "ecumenical" in 1987, when HTM fled because the truth was being exposed, can you sight ONE example of that? And please, not Serbia or Jerusalem. ROCOR has been in communion with them since the 1920's

Sean, Your Bishops are homosexual, homosexual, homosexual. Live with it or, better yet, leave them for an Orthodox Bishop.

Nicholas Trahan

[尼古拉前执事]

Dear Sean,

No, there was no ecclesiastical court that Metropolitan Valentine was called to for such charges. Only unofficial accusations after the Russian Bishops all left ROCOR. You may have heard differently, but this was not the case. In fact when accusations were made even civilly, Vladyka asked for a trial as he knew he would be found innocent in a fair system, which in fact did happen civilly even in Russia, where he was eventually exonerated of all charges when the court found no substance behind the charges. In fact those that admitted being paid off to make false charges have all in fact repented and remain members of the ROAC, having brought their family members in to the Church after they saw how vicious certain members of the MP was in paying off people to make the charges.

[Reader Nicholas]

Our second rule, as a matter of conscience was to not list any synod that was formed when a "geronda" was called to ecclesiastical trial for moral crimes of homosexuality and instead of appearing at said ecclesiastical trial, fled their synod and formed a new one, thus precluding HOCNA and the Lamian/Makarian synods from the map.

This is not a judgment on the guilt of the "gerondas" who left when called to trial, but simply a decision we made as not violate out own consciences.

But of course you take exception to this rule when it applies to your own first hierarch. By the time the Elder was called to kangaroo court on trumped up charges, we had already left ROCOR over ecumenism. Your Met. Valentine was accused of similar charges and actually did leave the Synod meeting. Are you saying that our explanation for ROCOR's treachery isn't valid, but your first hierarch's is? Needless to say I don't believe the charges against either man, but your reasoning for excluding HOCNA from your MAP is utterly hypocritical unless you exclude your own jurisdiction as well.

Sean,

When HOCNA came into existance the leaders of HTM were gayer than Liberace.You may wish to hide your head in the sand all you want but the truth is the truth.

As for the so-called "strict ecclesiology" well, you can have it because it does not allow for Christian Love.

As for ROCOR being "ecumenical" in 1987, when HTM fled because the truth was being exposed, can you sight ONE example of that? And please, not Serbia or Jerusalem. ROCOR has been in communion with them since the 1920's

Sean, Your Bishops are homosexual, homosexual, homosexual. Live with it or, better yet, leave them for an Orthodox Bishop.

Nicholas Trahan

[尼古拉前执事]

As for the so-called "strict ecclesiology" well. Thank God for it because it allows for Christian Love.

Yes it does and it also calls heresy "anathema" to protect the faithful.