Mr. Holland,
You are editing your posts and changing words and taking out phrases after people have quoted you and replied. Why?
You have changed "crucify me" to "ignore me" for example.
Why not start a new post to clarify something?
Are you expecting people to go back are read your previous posts when they are re-written and reply to the changes?
Ebor
edited to correct punctuation, add a phrase and add this line about what was edited.
AndyHolland wrote:Dear Ebor,
On and on your assertions go and allegations as well. For example, what were the minority demographics in the 1890s, and how many minorities actually worked in sweat shops per capita compared to the white population?
For the record, "minorities" refers not just to the colour of ones skin but the ethnic minorities such as: Lithuanian, Irish, Italian, Polish, Chinese, Hungarian, Russian, etc.
The Constitution was so sealed with that name, and yes - I got details wrong as to its origin. Admitted it before, why not again to prove you correct and me a dunce? So I have no credibility - ignore me. Neither do you when pressed - or would you care to back up your minority assertions with specific hard core references? We could play such a game endlessly.
You have edited this paragraph again, adding a name that I did not use. I begin to think that all of your posts should be quoted when replying against future alterations.
In many respects, minorities had it better in the 1890s. For example, in wedlock marriage and inventions. Prove me wrong with references,
Why should I "prove you wrong"? You assert that life was better for them. It is on the person putting forth a claim that the onus lies. Some people inventing things and marriage (and how do you know that the marriages were good ones?) makes life "better" as opposed to living in poverty, not having a chance for education, being kept out of much employment or other oppression:?
Ebor
Ebor wrote:AndyHolland wrote:Dear Ebor,
It is not my responsibility to educate you. For example, You asked about lying wonders claiming to have read the bible.I am familiar with the phase in the Bible. My question is "What do YOU, Mr. Holland mean by "lying wonders"? What does it mean to You? What do you have in mind?
How about A-bombs for starters. Calling fire down from heaven, naming it trinity (first test). Answering the enigmatic riddle of the Archangel Raphael, 'can you weigh a measure of fire, measure a bushel of wind, or recall a day' from Esdras right after it speaks of the Eagle with the special head (these are very rusty old memories - so why don't you look them up). Enrico Fermi dropped some paper, measured the bushel of wind whereby the weight of fire could be measure E=MC2 - which is a specific form of a general tensor equation by which one theoretically could recall a day. Pretty scary lying wonders to me.
Ebor wrote:This is just like the Holy Thorn thing. I provide all sorts of references, and you ignore them or take their differences and concentrate on them without seeing the common thread.
The common thread was that a plant exists in England called the Holy Thorn and that it blooms "around Christmas". It is your assertion and claim that it is on the EO/Julian calendar that I question. There were differences or contradictions in some of what you provided, and others could not be traced to see the Primary Source. Merely repeating something does not prove it. I provided that the church (Anglican) in Glastonbury was having it's cutting of the Thorn in December, not January. It is not the EO Calendar Christmas then. And why should not differences in reports be taken into account?
Some of the sources provided indicated that it bloomed exactly at midnight on old Christmas, and one of them had a sound recording of it occuring (could hear the popping sound) exactly at midnight.
On and on your assertions go and allegations as well. For example, what were the minority demographics in the 1890s, and how many minorities actually worked in sweat shops per capita compared to the white population? My bet is, the black population was happier in a rural setting away from those hardships relative to the white population. Just a hunch though.
You base your claim and ideas on hunches and bets? My "assertions and allegations"?
And you want me to educate you? The sweatshops were where poor people worked, women, children (no child labour laws then) immigrants/ethnic minorities. Conditions that most of us here cannot concieve of working in, I suspect. Have you ever heard of the "Triangle Shirtwaist Fire" of 1911?
http://www.ilr.cornell.edu/trianglefire/narrative2.html
A multipage site with information and documents from people who worked in the sweatshops.From Maryland History:
http://www.mdoe.org/sweatshops.html
Don't skirt the issue what were the demographics.
"Also at this time, persecution in Eastern Europe drove many Orthodox Jews to immigrate. The Jewish population of Baltimore expanded from 10,000 to 50,000 by 1900. These immigrant orthodox Jews were by far the largest group of workers in the sweatshops because employers in other industries usually declined to hire them. For one thing, a six-day workweek was standard, and the immigrants refused to work on Saturdays. Since other laws forbid anyone working on Sundays, the immigrants could only offer a five-day workweek. Unable to find work elsewhere, they became the employees of their co-religionists, the sweatshop contractors."
I was speaking of black people, don't skirt the issue.
Let us compare that with 40,000,000 dead babies since Roe V. Wade. Lets compare that with 1 in 3 being minorities. Again, I had a qualifier in the original statement.
The essence of your issue is my credibility. You are so wonderful and provide so many meaningless references which say nothing against the assertion that in many respects, minorities and all people, had it better. Surely it was safer being a Fetus in 1890 America than in 1972, when one in three were aborted.
But hey - America is perfect, don't worry, be happy, don't fret.... the NWO has it all covered. And I did look in a masonic book once upon a time, and the Great Pyramid was there except instead of having 1776 in roman numerals, it had abacadaba which is some sort of demonic thing no doubt.
andy holland
sinner
AndyHolland wrote:To support my issue with many respects minorities had it better with respect to inventions - ever hear of the real McCoy? Dr. Carver? First open heart surgery or blood transfusion? My gut feel is that black folks were making great strides post reconstruction, and then the door was slammed in their faces.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_McCoy
One of several possibilities
By Dr. Carver, I assume you mean Dr.George Washington Carver
http://www.africawithin.com/bios/george_carver.htm
And yes, I know about Dr. Charles E. Drew, researcher in blood chemistry and the inventor of the Blood Bank.
I knew of all of these long ago.
Ebor
Dear Ebor,
Good for you!
The issue is not our relative credibility. Hats off to you, you can go on and on that way forever. The issues I raise and assertions provided went to the central issue, is there biblical reason to be concerned living in America today? That is the real issue to me.
I can see inventions and technology being lying wonders. Is it sorcery to tap into the fundamental forces of nature (or claim to as Harry Truman did), and use them to demonstrate power and destroy? Was this foretold? Could we see this coming as Christians? Hopefully, beyond my nill scholarship (these are old memories), you might see where such assertions come from.
andy holland
sinner
AndyHolland wrote:How about A-bombs for starters. Calling fire down from heaven, naming it trinity (first test). Answering the enigmatic riddle of the Archangel Raphael, 'can you weigh a measure of fire, measure a bushel of wind, or recall a day' from Esdras right after it speaks of the Eagle with the special head (these are very rusty old memories - so why don't you look them up). Enrico Fermi dropped some paper, measured the bushel of wind whereby the weight of fire could be measure E=MC2 - which is a specific form of a general tensor equation by which one theoretically could recall a day. Pretty scary lying wonders to me.
Thank you for explaining what you meant by the phrase in your post.
Some of the sources provided indicated that it bloomed exactly at midnight on old Christmas, and one of them had a sound recording of it occuring (could hear the popping sound) exactly at midnight.
I've just gone over the "Holy Thorn" thread and there is a reference to a site that says "cutting the Holy Thorn on Christmas Eve when you hear the buds cracking, or you will receive a curse'". I have seen nothing of an actual sound recording.
I was speaking of black people, don't skirt the issue.
I wasn't skirting the issue. We seem to have different difinitions going. "Minority" to you in this case means only people of African extraction? I was using the word to cover the many different ethnic groups present in this country, from many different parts of the world.
Agreeing on terms can help in a discussion and avoid confusion.
Maybe the seal is on the back, or to the side? It was so sealed as were all the documents. Go to the national archives and see for yourself.
Ummmm how do you put a seal on the side of a piece of paper which is for most intents 2 dimensional? And if I go, and see for myself that there is no seal anywhere on the Constitution, what then?
Ebor
Ebor wrote:[
Maybe the seal is on the back, or to the side? It was so sealed as were all the documents. Go to the national archives and see for yourself.
Ummmm how do you put a seal on the side of a piece of paper which is for most intents 2 dimensional? And if I go, and see for myself that there is no seal anywhere on the Constitution, what then?
Ebor
Really, haven't you sealed a document? You fold it over, you put wax on it, and you place the seal in the wax. Perhaps the copies you saw don't contain the seal because they are not the documents of record? Maybe the envelope it was in was so sealed, and hence sealed? Maybe there is a sealed official copy, and a copy for publication? Do you think that might be possible?
Sorry, but I thought I had provided the newspaper reference website on the Holy Thorn that had a sound recording of the bloom on a link within that page. I really don't care - it has bloomed in accordance with the Orthodox calendar and fullfills wonderful prophecy to those who believe. Check out Dr. Layton's report in Henry VIII time.
The only thing you seem interested in is an ego battle constantly deflecting the issue. Be assured, you are far too smart for me. That is not a sarcastic remark. You are wonderful. Really, I mean it, I hope the best for you and yours - truly.
Can you get beyond your intrinsic rightness, and perhaps see reason why one might assert that America may be destroyed by her own lying wonders? How maybe one could see history, and the Bible as converging on a system of thought that may be intrinsically wrong? You know the fate of the midians if you are a Bible scholar.
But hey - the Great Seal isn't masonic - you have proved it. The name of the country is not E' Pluribus Unum - you have proved it. The Holy Thorn is not miraculous - you have proved it. Good, but I believe differentally because I find your "proofs" to be as faulty, if not more, than my poor assertions.
andy holland
sinner