Deacon Nikolai wrote:Matthew, argue ideas, do not attack people..
I did not attack the person, but his methodology of argument. Opinions without supportive evidence are empty.
Deacon Nikolai wrote:Matthew, argue ideas, do not attack people..
I did not attack the person, but his methodology of argument. Opinions without supportive evidence are empty.
Pensees wrote:Myrrh wrote:The theory of substitutionary atonement is particularly Western, sorry, that a fact. It relates to a particular idea of God which we don't have.
You appear as if you haven't read Scripture. Without blood sacrifice, there is no remission of sin. Period.
Hbr 9:22
And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.Leviticus 17:11
Since the life of a living body is in its blood, I have made you put it on the altar, so that atonement may thereby be made for your own lives, because it is the blood, as the seat of life, that makes atonement.Mat 26:28
For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.Mat 20:28
Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.Orthodoxy is not found in misinterpreting Scripture out of an anti-Western bias that verges on tomfoolery. Without shedding of blood is no remission means without shedding of blood is no remission.
To quote the Orthodox Study Bible, "Hebrews moves back to the sacrificial act of the Day of Atonement (from vv.11-14). The blood sprinkled here brings the life of the covenantal people into God's presence: it reconciled God and man. The final reconciliation, the eternal one, is the presentation of Christ's sacrificial blood (12:24) to God in heaven."
In speaking of Matthew's Gospel, "The Old Covenant was sealed by the blood of bulls and goats. The new is sealed by the gift of Christ who shed His own blood. (vs. 28 ) to reconcile us with God and reunite us to Himself. He calls it the blood of the new covenant, that is, God's promise, the new Law. By new He means we now have immortal and incorruptible Life."
(emphasis mine)Peace.
As you say it says in Hebrews' study notes - it moves back to the Day of Atonement - this is not the Day God chose, He chose Passover. Passover has nothing to do with sin offerings.
Matthew 9:13
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Matthew 12:7
But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
Mark 12:33
And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.
Hebrews 10:6
In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Psalm 40:6
Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.
Psalm 51:16
For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
Psalm 51:17
The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
Proverbs 21:3
To do justice and judgment is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice.
Isaiah 1:11
To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
Isaiah 66:3
He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
Jeremiah 6:20
To what purpose cometh there to me incense from Sheba, and the sweet cane from a far country? your burnt offerings are not acceptable, nor your sacrifices sweet unto me.
Jeremiah 7:22
For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
23But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
Hosea 6:6
For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
Micah 6:8
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
Your move..