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[ICONOPHILI]

Snopes's page on the "no 757 at the Pentagon" myth

That site is a TOTAL lie, here's the real info: http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm

[ICONOPHILI]

WE don't need the "Officialy well exepted Illuminati" Newspapers to tell us this, we've always known 95% of what U.S. says about Iran is a lies just to start a WAR against IRAN, but just to show you even more, 1. WASHINGTON POST: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01083.html 2. Reuters: http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArt ... A-IRAN.xml

[CGW]

Yeah, yeah, that's the same lousy site you linked to before, and its speculations are still dreck. What the heck, let's take another few examples.

A ways down they look at one of the scraps of fuselage lying on the lawn, and then make this claim: "Here we have another piece of wreckage. The color seems to be a lighter blue than that used by American Airlines. However the piece is also too small to correspond with the lettering on the 757 paint job(.)" Now, if you are intelligent enough to actually look at a real airplane, you might notice that the area described as "lighter blue" isn't blue at all! It's unpainted, and therefore tends to look blue in a photo because the sky is blue! And the evidence is right there on the website, because a few photos down you can see a picture of an entire AA plane, and can thus see it reflecting the color of the sky!

Then there's the engine that is allegedly too small to be a 757 engine. Well, that's not a picture of the whole engine. One cannot be utterly sure exactly which end one is seeing, but it looks to me like just the hub of the fan stage, with all the blades snapped off. It helps to have some idea of what the parts of a turbojet actually look like.

I notice also that the mystery non-757 turns into no less than five different aircraft in the course of the page (a 727, an RPV, two types of cruise missile, and a military jet).

The conclusions on the page are a farrago of speculation, groundless and amateurish opinion, contradiction, and patent nonsense. Nonetheless, I linked to the Snopes page not to convince you (because I feel that is hopeless) but so that others may have some intelligent and informed consideration of the matter at hand.

[Ebor]

Ebor,

The phrase was not a quote, but rather logic based on the Bible.

I knew that it was not a quote. Because I read the Bible. But I recognized it as a paraphrase. You see it as logical. I read it as twisting Scripture by conflating passages that are not related.

One can be rude when hiding behind an alias and an internet.

And one may also be polite even in disagreement. Or is it your contention that disagreement by it's very nature is "rude"?

We should fear God and man.

Why should we "fear man"? This is again a case where I do not follow the link or reasoning that is apparently clear to you.

I will also respond with another passage of the New Testament:

Matthew 10:28
"Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

Meaning no disrespect, but I will follow the words of Scripture.

I have encountered a number of pejorative comments that I really doubt the authors would have the intestinal fortitude to say to my face. I am 6' 1", 235 and weight lift for a hobby but I wouldn't harm a fly (really, I encourage folks to open the windows and let them out - they are creatures).

If you would care to post what you consider to be "perjoratives" from any of my posts I would like to see them. Do you consider disagreement or offering counter information or corrections to be so? If I have called you names or made what you consider to be insults please point them out for apologies.

So if you want to beat me up rhetorically, go ahead and get out all your pent up aggression against "bullies." I'll picture you as larger and tough - so as to modify my words.

But I don't want to 'beat you up'. It is interesting that you turn an objection to your example into wanting to 'beat you up'.

I am interested that you refer to my "pent up aggression against "bullies". Is there is something wrong with objecting to bullying? Is it that you don't think bullying exists or that it's not important or that it shouldn't be resisted? Do you feel that my disagreeing with you and questioning your assertions is somehow "beating you up"?

Ebor

[AndyHolland]

Dear Ebor,

If I have offended you in any way please forgive me. I did not start this thread in response to your posts. Really - I was suprised you piped in.

As for beating up, I meant in writing - such as calling others by names - which you have not done to my recollection - though, you'll have to examine your own conscience. Also, I have detected some 'against the man' logic in all our posts.

As for the example in logic of fearing man, we just speak to one another better when there is give and take - rather then send and send. Also, face to face people are less bold to insult. God made man in his image, so this "fear" is natural and good. So the suggestion was meant to convey - let us assume we are speaking to someone we would naturally fear. It wasn't meant to bully or convey bullying.

I have never experienced people - anybody, talking to me the way they do on this medium. I assume its because I am larger than most. Does that make sense? Or maybe it is because when they see me face to face, they know I mean no harm?

andy holland
sinner

[ICONOPHILI]

I notice also that the mystery non-757 turns into no less than five different aircraft in the course of the page (a 727, an RPV, two types of cruise missile, and a military jet).

The conclusions on the page are a farrago of speculation, groundless and amateurish opinion, contradiction, and patent nonsense. Nonetheless, I linked to the Snopes page not to convince you (because I feel that is hopeless) but so that others may have some intelligent and informed consideration of the matter at hand.

SPECULATIONS AND GROUNDLESSSS, DID you read SNOOPS explainations, THEY ARE THE ONES that are 10000% GROUNDLESS, this is what I was talking about a long time agao how people are easily convinced by "Elaboratly Constructed words by the Gov" when explaining qouestions that have come up after MAJOR incidents have taken place, ( JFK, RFK, Ruby Ridge, WACO, Oklahoma City, AND NOW 9/11) Look at Snoopes exlaination, 1. They say that there are "Eyewitnesses" that saw the plane "Hit the gound and then hit the Pentagon" and thats why the plane didn't go deep into then Pentagon, then Snoops dares give a link to the famous "ALTERED" video of that "THING" which they call "a 757" hitting the Pentagon, 1. If you look at the "Origianal" security photo it says 09/12/01 not 09/11/01 2. what ever that thing is is going so fast (Missile/ Missile desined to look like a small version of a 757 look alike) you can't even tell what it the Pentagon, 3. A CARFUL EXAMINATION og the ground at the Pentagon shows no crash on the ground of the Pentagon which prooves SNOOPS is lying, not mistaked. 4. Why hasn't the FBI released the made a copy of the "GAS STATION Video and released it to CNN, and show us the clear images of what ( A 757 haha) HIT THEPENTAGON JUST LIKE CNN SHOWED the WTC Towers being hit?, answer- Because what realy hit the Pentagon was not a 757, 5. My site and other "Conspirousy Revieling sites) have stated that the reason they poured the Gravel on the Pentagon lawn was to cover up the MASONIC ALL SEEING EYE, they put on there as thier symbol of the flight path the Missile/or Global hawk with warhead would travel as it hit the Pent, but snoopes gave THEY REAL "speculation, groundless and amateurish opinion, contradiction, and patent nonsense" (AND IM realy shocked YOU DIDN'T PICK IT UP RIGHT AWAY), 1. Snoopes says the gravel was layed down so the trucks wouldn't slip and slide, HAHAHAHAHAHA, 1. The Lawn wasn't wet that day, 2. Snoops gave that explaination by them selves they didn't get that explaination from the Gov or the CONSTRUCTION company that layed the Gravel there, so ALL in ALL it's clear as day that 9/11 was an inside job, and the Gov is going to detonate a nuke or release biological/ chemecal weapons on U.S. Population and then get on CNN saying it's AL-QIEDA AND THEN THIER GOING TO TRY AND TIE iRAN IN IT AS WELL SO THEY CAN HAVE THIER EXCUSE TO START A WAR WITH THEM,AND SAY "WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SUSPEND THE CONSTITUION UNTILL WE HAVE GOTEN THINGS UNDER CONTROLL." SO WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO THINK IF HAPPENS????????

[Ekaterina]

ICONOPHILLI/Artemon:

Were you dropped on your head as a child?

Just curious.........

Katya