Iconophili's Great Big Thread of Conspiracies!

[ICONOPHILI]

Dear Katya,

I have had little to put up with, and those around me have had so much bologna from me! - truly, I can relate to the fellow. God puts up with so much from me. I wish I had adequate tears of repentance for all the time I have wasted and grief I have caused!

This medium can be addicting, and the paranoia generated from so much information can also be devestating to our minds.

Especially for 'guys' - we have a stake in the world, yet at the same time we know we must leave it for the Kingdom of God. This causes allot of stress due to our unbelief ('Yes Lord I believe, help my unbelief'). When you combine this with pride (male ego) - well, we see things spiritual and instead of comparing to things spiritual or spiritual, we compare things spiritual to things!

Remember, in the Garden God made animal skins for man, because having had his eyes opened, and being such a spiritual being - he would go insane without the thicker garment of flesh (material thought). Iconophilli is going through a transition of thought. Your advice for us earlier to have faith in Jesus is the correct message.

Please pray for my wife, for in addition to putting up with me and the other children - her father is sick .

Thanks for your prayers,

andy holland
sinner

You ARE simple minded people that have been "TRULY SHOCK UP" with my position that there is A NWO conspirousy, WOW and I do mean WOW!! :shock: I didn't know you couldn't handel it.!!!! :shock: I got Kata here stating this isn't Orthodox, well Baby if you don't like what's being discussed in the " Miscellaneous Section" I suggest you take it up with the Moderators of Euphrosynoscafe.com

[Ekaterina]

Iconophilli:

If not that I felt sorry for your gullibility, I would not have bothered with your posts. I have been around long enough to have heard these inane conspiracy theories for more years than I care to admit to.

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in your posts have shocked me or anyone else either I would suspect.

You have not CONVINCED me of anything except your abject gullibility. I feel sorry for you and your family if you have one.

There are more things to worry about in this life than some nefarious, unconvincing, stupid conspiracy theory. Perhaps it is time you looked into those.

Katya

[CGW]

Shocked? Jaded is more like it. I had my period of reading and sort of believing this kind of tripe (Von Daniken and the like). I think it ended some time in middle school-- maybe before. That ostensibly grown men and women can read this stuff and believe it is sadly true but more than a bit pathetic.

[Ebor]

As for the example in logic of fearing man, we just speak to one another better when there is give and take - rather then send and send. Also, face to face people are less bold to insult. God made man in his image, so this "fear" is natural and good. So the suggestion was meant to convey - let us assume we are speaking to someone we would naturally fear. It wasn't meant to bully or convey bullying.

See below on my view on face to face. I'm not sure what you mean by "someone we would naturally fear". Why would a large person naturally be feared? My father is 6' 6'' I do not fear him. I'm glad that you did not mean to give the idea of bullying. Here was a case though that what you wrote had different connotations to other people then the ones you meant.

I have never experienced people - anybody, talking to me the way they do on this medium. I assume its because I am larger than most. Does that make sense? Or maybe it is because when they see me face to face, they know I mean no harm?

Well that is a difference between us. You attribute this to "fear". Your second paragraph seems to read that you assume that peope might be afraid of you since you are taller/bigger.

I see it as when we actually see other people face to face there is more likeliness of seeing them as real Human Beings just as we ourselves are Human. Therefore there is a possibility of treating them as we want to be treated ("Do unto others as you would have others do unto you." ) and more chance of courtesy. Fear is not necessary for people to be courteous.

But being courteous does not require that there be total agreement with another person or not allow the offering of counter-information or corrections of mistakes. These things can be done without perjoratives and namecalling.

But on-line there is more of what a friend calls "CRT induced Personallity Disorder" that is: all that is seen are words and pixels so it's very easy to not grasp or think of the other Human Being on the other end.

Ebor

[AndyHolland]

Ebor,

"Fear" means respect in the Biblical sense.

andy holland
sinner

[Ebor]

Ebor,

"Fear" means respect in the Biblical sense.

andy holland
sinner

I'm sorry, this seems to be a case where your connotation or personal understanding of what you meant by the word is not transmitted in your writing. The most common meanings of "fear" now include:

"be afraid or feel anxious or apprehensive about a possible or probable situation or event; "I fear she might get aggressive"
be afraid or scared of; be frightened of; "I fear the winters in Moscow"; "We should not fear the Communists!"
an emotion experienced in anticipation of some specific pain or danger (usually accompanied by a desire to flee or fight"

I got these from on-line dictionaries, fyi.

Not to be difficult, but "respect" for another Human Being is not the same thing as simply seeing them as Human. I don't respect someone who thows litter out of a car for example, but I remind myself that they are still human.

Part of the problem of on-line discussions is sometimes not having common understandings of words and definitions, so there is lack of clarity.

Ebor

[AndyHolland]

Holy Fear has several aspects associated with mental, physical, verbal self-control and patience.

Those who lack such fear will often judge and say things like "thou fool" (or hey stupid) - but only when they know they won't get their lights punched out.

The Lord warned us not to call others "fool" lest we be liable to the hell fire.

Again, "Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom" and 'the unjust judge fears neither God nor man.'

andy holland
sinner