Wormwood & Weather-changing, Earthquake-causing, Sinister Plots

[Matthew]

I am inclined to reject the claim that all tsunamis, earthquakes, tornadoes, etc. are explained away on the basis that they are "natural" phenomena, if by that one is intimating that they are "mistakes" or "accidental" and that their occurrence is divorced from having any relationship with human responsibility for sin. That would be an entirely naturalistic and, indeed, atheistic view. Actually, it would even be blasphemous, inasmuch as it suggests that God is pitiless and fickle, doing nothing to intervene in events that cause such colossal amounts of human suffering though He is omnipotent and omniscient. Hence, I fail to see, Jonathan, how you can be so bold as to dismiss what Cyprian said on this point as,

It's trivially true that everything not caused by Man's agency must be caused by God's agency

Really?! Trivially true? Hardly trivial if you ask me. Rather, it can be justly said that a great deal rests upon the distinction.

[jgress]

It's true that everything that happens anywhere has some purpose, since God is sovereign. What's not obvious is what that purpose is. I think Cyprian shows an unwarranted confidence in being able to divine what the purposes of these events are. Maybe he's a clairvoyant elder, though, in which case I beg his forgiveness.

Anyway, the other point is that Cyprian hasn't provided reason to think these events are man-made, rather than natural or supernatural.

[Matthew]

Yes, but then that is another issue. The proof is in the pudding if his prognosis is correct. I am sure that Cyprian is under no illusion of thinking he is a clairvoyant. He is simply saying, look at the pattern that these psychopathic world elites are following in their past record of wreaking havoc on the world in their bid to establish the requisite chaos leading into a world begging for a New Global Order and a saviour-god (a political genius) to lead them into a glorious New Age of peace and harmony for all. Cyprian is really doing little more than what a good detective does when tracking down a serial killer who has patterns, habits, and uses occult rituals and clues (the illuminati's ethic of warning people what they're going to do to them through movies, tv, and other channels of mass info dissemination) that indicate where they are most likely to strike next. They believe that "the worthy" are those who are kindred spirits (evolutionary illuminated souls) who, though they are not yet members in the elite power structure, will still pick up on these clues and take heed of their hidden warnings. Hence, all that do not see it coming, are deserving of being wiped out, since they are little more than "dumb cattle" whose genes hold back the human race from rising up to the state of godhood. Their inferior genes must be cleansed from the human gene pool, and this culling of the herd is what directed evolution will do towards accelerating the evolution of the human race. Hence the reason he thinks that they are caused by human technology (HAARP as in the case of extreme weather, deep ocean nukes as in the case of the indonesian and Japanese tsunamis, etc) is because they fulfil warnings that are in their info outlets and follow occult numerological points of convergence, and that these events are successfully driving the world towards a New World Order. Perhaps he has other reasons, but I would say that those are definitely some of the reasons.

The purpose of judgement is always redemptive at some level, for the survivors at least, inasmuch as it is meant to instil them with the fear of God and a turning away from sin to the Living God. For those who do not survive it is either to provide an early release for the righteous, or for the unrighteous victims it is judgement.

[Maria]

What is the signature of a nuclear explosion versus that of an earthquake which triggered that huge tsunami that destroyed so much of Japan?

[Matthew]

I am not quite sure what you mean by signature, but I guess you mean, how can we know if it was not entirely natural in cause?

As far as I know the hard evidence is not there. There is only circumstantial evidence. It is not my point to take sides strongly on these conjectures, though I think some points of view might have merit and others not. So the circumstantial details are not really in need of repeating here, just to say that this is what some people in the rumour mill are saying.

[jgress]

Sorry this was the thread where our friend Cyprian started this nonsense. Cyprian made definite predictions that something terrible would happen at the Mets game in Flushing today. I watched the whole game and nothing happened. Cyprian better have a VERY good reason for why his false prophecy failed to occur, otherwise he will no longer be participating in this forum and confusing the faithful.