St Pauls' baggage

[尼古拉前执事]

As I said in my original post, I see no areas where Jesus makes any attempt to NOT include women in everything he does. He even speaks to the woman at the well who is flabbergasted that a Jewish man would talk to her. And don't use the argument that it was just because she was a Gentile.

And I said before -- if this was SO IMPORTANAT that women cover their heads and not even be allowed to SPEAK in church, don't ya think that it would have been mentioned by Him somewhere? Or at least the others?

1. She was much more than a Gentile, she was a Samaritan, the enemies of the Jews. And why do you say do not use that argument?

2. If it did not follow the traditions of Christ and His Church, Paul would have been reprimanded and his first letter to the Corinthians would not have been included in Sacred Scripture.

[OrthodoxyOrDeath]

Tom,

Clearly every believer in Jesus Christ is a member of the church (1 Corinthians 12:27); so "the Church" should really commune Mormans. And who better to commune the Mormans than a woman priest, because it says in 1 Peter 2:5,9 that every believer in Jesus Christ is a priest.

Based on this, you are most certainly correct, St. Paul, the Apostle of "Baggage", must have been way off the mark, because how could a woman priest serve when everybody knows their heads would not always be covered.

It is because of the insanity thoughts like these bring that I pay so much awe and respect to Holy Tradition, of which Holy Scripture is an inseperable part of.

Tom, are you Protestant?

[TomS]

I am Orthodox. Though I am not sure you would consider me so since I am GOA

I ask questions, that is all.

[TomS]

Clearly every believer in Jesus Christ is a member of the church (1 Corinthians 12:27); so "the Church" should really commune Mormans. And who better to commune the Mormans than a woman priest, because it says in 1 Peter 2:5,9 that every believer in Jesus Christ is a priest.

No, that does not fit. Because at the time that was written, there was only one Church.

It is because of the insanity thoughts like these bring that I pay so much awe and respect to Holy Tradition, of which Holy Scripture is an inseperable part of.

But could it also be because those who created Holy Tradition were generally monks/ascetics (sp?) who probably saw women as tempters in the first place?

[Seraphim Reeves]

Tom, have you ever considered that maybe it's YOUR cultural assumptions (being a child of the revolution as we all are, and it's atheistical/materialistic assumptions), or "baggage" which are in need of deconstruction, and not St.Paul's?

I'd also point out, the "blame Augustine" game simply will not work, particularly in this case - since his views on sexuality and women are not unique to him. Too many people, without ever seeing what a single other Father says on these subjects, just assume anything remotely "unmodern" or "non-egalitarian" in these regards just has to be some kind of "Augustinian, western abbheration."

Having a problem with St.Paul's mind here, puts you at odds with the Holy Fathers in general.

Seraphim

[OrthodoxyOrDeath]

Tom,

It seems to me the nature of your question is a fundemental one in which you doubt the Orthodox faith is the one true faith.

With that in mind, I would have to ask: Based on what study of St. Paul are you questioning Orthodoxy? In other words, did your read some paragraph somewhere about St. Paul or are your questions based on some deep and lengthy personal study?

[OrthodoxyOrDeath]

But could it also be because those who created Holy Tradition were generally monks/ascetics (sp?) who probably saw women as tempters in the first place?

Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ gave us Holy Tradition. If you doubt that then we should be having a discussion about Sola Scriptura and nothing else; because Sola Scriptura, that is, the traditions of men, is the opposite of and opposed to Holy Tradition, the Traditions of God.