The Future of the ROCOR

[ania]

Dear Ania --

Thanks for the reply. Being in communion, however, implies that one accepts the teaching and practices of the church in which one is now in communion with. For example, do most members of the ROCOR accept and condone the use of the New Calendar and the EP's ecumenical activities?

1. ROCOR back in the day ordained a whole bunch of Romanian New Calendar bishops for Romanian New Calendar communities. They have had New Calendar parishes. It is much like ROCOR now having an Old Believer bishop for an Old Believer flock up in Eire PA. Switching to the New Calendar was on the discussion agenda for the Council of 1918, however it was not brought up due to the Revolution. They were also to discuss switching to just plain Russian rather than Church Slavonic in church services. They never got the chance to resolve it, and it became a non-issue.
2. Do you mean the EP or the MP? Ecumenism, tough thing to sort out. Do you mean full-blown out co-serving? Or being treated as an honored guest at their rituals & treating them with honor when they come to our rituals? Or working together on social projects with other denominations for the betterment of their mutual communities? Or simply being polite? The fact that the MP hasn't officially withdrawn from the WCC is of course troubling. However, it is already acknowledged by most people in the MP as wrong. It just needs a little bit of jolting to have them officially leave. As we have given them no guarantees, I think they might be keeping it as a bargaining chip, after all, these might be church politics, but they are still politics.

[paleocon]

Gregory,
I believe ania answered your question. Do you understand the difference in "in communion" and concelebrating? Obviously, roac does not. Do you believe that every single layman or clergy of a juristiction have to be perfect in order to be graced by the Church Abroad's presence?

Juvenaly,
You would have said the same thing a few months back, but those fotos have really reassured me. You have a bright future with the roacs, young man; another Joseph Goebbels.

[Грешник]

Another who? I apologize, but I am ignorant as to this person of whom you speak.

Also, I do not think that you understand. I might have said the same thing a few months ago, but the bottom line is that I have not changed in the preceeding months. A bishop has left the Synod but through it all I have remained in the same Church.

[Грешник]

Juvenaly,
You would have said the same thing a few months back, but those fotos have really reassured me. You have a bright future with the roacs, young man; another Joseph Goebbels.

Dr. Paul Joseph Goebbels (October 29, 1897 - May 1, 1945) was Adolf Hitler's Propaganda Minister ...

The better part of me wants to be greatly offended... Paleocon you are quite a person... Quite an outspoken, ignorant person.

I would very much like an expalanation as to your remarks.

The attitudes and the remarks being passed around here are doing nothing positive for anyone, especially not myself. I think that until further notice I will not be posting, lurking, reading, or any other idea of the above for quite a long time.

Thank you, those of you who have positively, spiritually contributed to my learning. As to anyone else, good grief...

[TomS]

Juvenaly,

Why would you let someone's elses opinion control your actions? If you don't think that their opinion is correct - then just reject it.

No reason to allow someone else to label you.

[OrthodoxyOrDeath]

Paleocon,

Better to be called "Joseph Goebbels" than to actually have a KGB code name ("Drostov") I suppose.

You said:

They are only concerned with power and authority, quoting canons, saints, and Fathers like Pharisees, demanding adherance to the letter, but not the spirit of the canons or our Church Fathers.

What is the “spirit of the canons or our Church Fathers” when it came to the heretics you commune with? Are you saying their spirit demands that we commune with these people, who are not only heretics, but have turned Holy Tradition upside down?

Please do tell.

[paleocon]

Juvenaly,
You were the one who tried to seduce me; that roac was somehow one big happy family. You and they are the ones who think you have to resort to damage control and "spinning" every wacky thing that happens in your club.
It wasn't long ago when you were singing the praises of those you now call the enemy. Why should I not believe the other side?
Don't be so sensitive; I didn't compare you to Son of Sam.

OoD,
You like to search the canons and writings of the Church Fathers, pull out snippets, and interperet them like a Protestant (Just give you all the writings of the Church and interperate for yourself and throw in a few clergy statements that support your position). You are very well read; I'll give you that, but I think you are getting some of your information from the World Weekly News or a Russian equivalent.
If a ROCOR priest gives a blessing to a parishioner to go a Greek or Antiochian parish and commune, THAT IS NOT HERESY. The New Calender is not heretical; though I do not like it, they are still Orthodox. The Faith is the same. Every juristiction may have heretical clergy, but that does not condemn the entire juristiction.
Have you ever forgiven anyone, or is your forgiveness so precious that it must be rationed?
Maybe you have the "scoop" on all the confessions in Russia.