George Australia wrote:And so does the Church. If we can't perform the "symbol" (immersion), we perform the "symbol of the symbol" (aspersion), and if we can't do that, then we perform "the symbol of the symbol of the symbol" (aerobaptism).
Why should the Church not be permitted to dispense her economia as freely and wisely as she wishes? The Church is the icon of the Holy Trinity, and Christ, Who founded the Church, said:
"Therefore be merciful, just as your Father also is merciful." (Luke 6:36)
. Do you somehow find it too merciful that the Holy Church welcomes infants into herself who are unable to be baptised with water?
George
Dear George,
Forgive me if I offended you by my phrase "George's principle". I realise you didn't come up with this practice, but for the purposes of our discussion, I thought it would be understood.
I think the question raised by Schultz regarding the EO teaching on children who die without baptism is a valid one. Do unbaptised babies go to hell? Is there an Orthodox version of "baptism of desire"?
With regard to what you wrote above, I don't have any problem with accepting that the Church, in Her mercy, can exercise economy in how She receives people. What I do wonder about is the limits of that economy. What exactly is allowable and what is absolutely prohibited? One's own arm can only move so far, after all.
From my limited reading in the history of our Church, baptism by immersion, infusion (pouring), and aspersion (sprinkling) were practiced in various places for various reasons, immersion being normative. If the Church has the authority to allow aero-baptism (the symbol of the symbol of the symbol), then what else can be allowed? If a parish doesn't have leavened bread for the Eucharist, and doesn't have unleavened bread (the symbol of the symbol) can it use brownies (a symbol of the symbol of the symbol)? If they have no wine, can they use milk, or even Coke? If one of the ingredients in Holy Chrism can potentially set off an allergic reaction in someone, even in little amounts, is it OK to use Crisco? These are somewhat silly examples, you may think, but even a practical, real life case can be considered: what happens to a person with celiac disease? Do you get to make prosphora out of rice flour instead of wheat (Catholics have had to deal with this question in recent days regarding their Communion wafers)? If aero-baptism can be allowed, why not these? And if they can be allowed, then why all the fuss over calendars when, apparently, the Church can use pizza and beer in the Eucharist?
I personally feel that the Church has limits in what it can do with regard to the Sacraments. For instance, I think bread and wine are essential to the Eucharist. I think water is essential to Baptism. I am not sure if I can agree right now with aero-baptism, especially when "baptism of desire" seems to "do the same thing", without the seeming innovation of changing the method of baptising. What is the earliest known reference to aero-baptism? Where is its basis (that is, the ability to use substances other than water for baptising) in Scripture, the Liturgy, or the Holy Fathers? What are the practical circumstances under which it has been practiced? And what really happens if a person receiving such a baptism survives?
Forgive me if my questions offend you even more. I don't intend to, but I'm struggling to understand this.