Jean-Serge wrote:
The faith is unchanged since the beginning...
TomS Replied:
That is just SOOOO WRONG!!!
This is an interesting comment coming from the direction of those who would like to see much more change, but what part of the Orthodox faith do you think has changed?
I also noticed that you are now signing your posts with...
<- The Protestant's are more right than wrong on many things
So was the captain of the Titanic. 
OrthodoxyOrDeath wrote:..but what part of the Orthodox faith do you think has changed?
Learn how to fish.
OrthodoxyOrDeath wrote:So was the captain of the Titanic.
Well, I am not really familar with the level of actual culpability of the Captain in that case. He could have been used as a scapegoat. Either way -- I would have to do more RESEARCH on that subject.
Really though OD, all you have to do is read the development of theology in the early church to see how it evolved. You can't justy read apologists - they HAVE an agenda.
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They say that I am bad news. They say "Stay Away."
I have always understood that the Faith is unchanged in its essence even if the details develop over time. For example, Christians have always believed in the Holy Trinity and that Christ is both God and Man but, through the ecumenical councils and prayer and study the Church has become more precise in its dogma in response to false understandings of those Truths. The same with Liturgy: it has been more or less elaborate through the centuries based on many factors but in essence it has always been formal, liturgical and eucharistic in essence.
As a former Protestant, I can agree that "the Protestants are more right than wrong on many things" They are right in everything they hold in common with the ancient Faith, they are wrong on the those things they invented (albeit sincerely) at their founding.
Tom suggested that Orthodoxy or Death should "learn to fish", I think saying that he should go find books that deal with the evolution of doctrine and that he shouldn't just read Orthodox Apologists because they have an agenda. Yes, everyone has an agenda (or, a point of view). The authors of dooks dealing with the development of dogma from an "evolutionary" rather than a "revelatory" point-of-reference have an agenda too. They wish to show that those who believe God has revealed Himself and His Truths through the historic Church are really just following the teachings of men. So these men would have us follow their teachings instead.
As Orthodox Christians we have enough to do if we simply study what we need to live holy lives according to the Faith. Why should we engage in a potentially prideful and spiritually dangerous exercise in seeking out books that undermine our confidence in the very Faith which we are trying to practice?
God Bless,
David
The protestants being the titanic and Orthodox being Noahs Ark..s Ark was built for a certain purpose and it acheived that purpose,heck,word has it that it didnt even have a steering center-reassureing us that God was in control even on Noah`s Ark(Orthodoxy), now the titanic was built by the smartest and most brilliant of man,and tried to change the earlier how vessels were built,and they claimed this to be the greatest invention of man,and it sank. it took several thousands with aswell..
we can simply see by this little sentence that man has always tried to perfect things and simply change things all around..Noah
so I guess if protestants are more right than wrong why would you be tricked into thinking some right can justify the wrong? it more affirmly should make you understand that Orthodox is always True. it was given to us by Christ not man,and it is never WRONG. thousands of Christians didnt drown beleiving in a man made vessel such as the titanic(protestantism),but were martyred defending what Christ had given to them-THE TRUTH......................
