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"little ones"

Post by Nathaniel Kapner »

Dear Members of Euphrosynos Cafe',

Our Savior said, "Whoever causes one of these little ones to stumble, it would be better for him that a millstone were hung about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." Mark 9:42

Shortly after I left Bishop Gregory in August of 2005, I received a call from a well known OC Traditionalist priest who told me of a bishop who ordained a man to the clerical office and then later received him in his orders into his diocese, after he was warned by this OC Traditionalist priest many times not to do so.

This well known OC Traditionalist priest told me that he warned the bishop not to do this because of the man's sexual crime against a "little one."

The OC Traditionalist priest went on to tell me that this man in question was a convicted child molester who served time in prison for sexually molesting a child.

This well known OC Traditionalist priest told me that he warned this bishop not to do this, both to prevent a man from entering the priesthood who was wholly unworthy because of his sexual crime against a "liitle one," and because this man's sexual crime against a "little one" should be repudiated by a bishop, not affirmed.

The OC Traditionalist priest then asked me if I could try to obtain the Public Records of this man's arrest, conviction, and incarceration.

I replied, "If this bishop did not repudiate this alleged "child molester," and indeed affirmed a man who 'caused one of these little ones to stumble,' I promise you dear Father, I will do all in my power to obtain these Public Records."

After one month of over 75 phone calls, including 7 to Russia, I now have in front of me - Public Records from two states, Oregon and New York.

In 1983, in the State of Oregon, this man, who is now this bishop's priest, was arrested, charged, convicted, and incarcerated for, as the Public Record reads, kidnapping a 12 year old girl and forcing her "to touch his genitals."

In 1992, in the State of New York, this man, who is now this bishop's priest, was arrested, charged, convicted, and incarcerated for, as the Public Record reads, "exposing his penis and buttocks before two young girls, to wit, ages 4 and 6."

I will soon be presenting these Public Records to www.pokrov.org . Once I do, the names of both the priest and the bishop will be revealed.

(ROAC) Sub Deacon Nathaniel Kapner
Milton L Kapner
St Basil of Kineshma Mission
Colorado Springs, CO
September 12/25, 2005
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TO ALL OFFLIST INQUIRERS :

The Bishop''Gregory has Four priests: The priest ''Fr Savvas Ross, formerly of the Russian Mission in New York, Father John Clay pool of California, Fr Koumianos Hatzileris, Fr Athanasios Tsorvas. These are Bishop Gregory's priests in America.

(ROAC) Sbn Nathaniel Kapner
St Basil of Kineshma Church Mission
Colorado Springs CO

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Re:The child-molesting priest of Bishop"Kingdom-builder"-in
the "Oregon Correctional Divisions Evaluation Report" #83-2537 is
shown to be an inveterate and habitual sex-offender:

Oregon Correctional Divisions
Probation Evaluation Report 83-2537:

Date: April 14, 1986
Parole Officer and Probation Officer - Gene Mott
Court Docket #832537C3
Medford Circuit Court, Medford Oregon

"The defendant is a 36 year old married male on probation for Sex
Abuse. He attempted to entice a seven year old girl to..... while in
a school playground. Mr admitted to 15 similar incidents in
Phoenix Arizona in 1979. Later he advised he had committed 30 sex
offensess since he was 15 years old and that they ran in three year
cycles.

The defendant admitted that he was teaching religious classes
with minors present without the permission of his Probation Officer
[Gene Mott] In January of 1984, " " admited contact with minor
males and "setting up" exposure to an 8 year old female." [END]

TO ALL: This week I hope to present all Public Records to
www.pokrov.org.

The names of the sex-molesting priest, his Church/'Rectory Address'
and his 'kindom-building' Bishop will be revealed.

(ROAC) Sub Deacon Nathaniel Kapner

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hmmmmmmmmm.......

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I clicked over on the pokrov site to see what it was and have come back with mixed feelings. I understand that these sorts of things happen since even the True Church is not a perfect church (having in it people like, well, people) And I think people who suffer abuse do need some sort of support group to reach out to........but it seems unhealthy spiritually for individuals to devote their lives to uncovering the dirt in the Church. Is it not a form of iconoclasm that undermines the respect due not only to the overwhelmingly good clergy but to the ministry itself?
I don't want to live with "my head in the sand" but with all the skepticism and scorn in the world for all things we should reverence, I hope that when I visit an Orthodox site the great majority of everything I read will be geared towards edifying and building up my faith rather than criticizing those who do not live it as they should.
If we suffer hurt from members of the Church, should we not keep the "dirty laundry" in the circle of those affected and who have the authority to do something about it rather than airing it out indiscriminately to all and sundry precisely in order to prevent scandalizing anyone unecessarily?

With love,
David

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Post by Nathaniel Kapner »

Dear David Hawthorne,

Do you not realize how serious and unconscionable it is for one who is a 'bishop' to ordain a man who is a known child-molestor to the prieshood?

He ignored the many warnings. This is nothing less than contempt for the Holy Orhodox Church, Her Gospel Treasure, and Her Holy Canons.

Not to mention the danger he brings unsuspecting children into.
*(The Police in Montana are watching this priest, even as I Post)

(ROAC) Sub Deacon Nathaniel Kapner
St Basil of Kineshma Mission Church
Officiating Clergy: Fr./Deacon Nikolai Stanoscheck
Colorado Springs Co

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It IS horrible.........

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Yes, Brother, it is horrible if that is what occured. But I am asking, even if it did occur- how am I or how is anyone who is not involved profited or edified in the Faith by having it broadcast?
We should only speak well of others unless it would be sinful not to reveal the fault to an individual. If the faithful are always hearing "this one is bad" and "that one is bad" (and let's assume they are) It doesn't take too much of this detraction for even sincere believers to develop an attitude of skepticism and less trust even when they are with someone good. If, however, someone were to come to you for example and say he was considering joining Fr. Gregory and heard you had been with him then it would be wrong to withold information you knew to be true. As for broadcasting a bad report of someone to the Church in general, shouldn't that be the province of our shepherds the bishops?
It would be enough to say- if asked- such and such a group of bishops has defrocked so and so and my experience with him has taught me that all is not well there, so be careful about getting involved with him. Otherwise, we should keep silent and pray for the man. If we must speak at all let it be of the good qualities he possesses unless the duties of unfeigned love "corners" us into discreetly revealing someone's faults.
Remember St. John Chrysostom's words in his homily "On the Statues": "Are you here to praise and raise someone in my esteem? Then gladly will I give ear and savor your conversation. But if you intend to speak ill of someone, let me stop now; I cannot stand filth and stench. What have I to gain by knowing that someone is evil? Would I not be losing something instead? Talk to him yourself, and let us mind only our business."
In the peace of Christ,
David Hawthorne

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Post by michigan »

What if, say, a cult or controversial leader continued to attach the name "Orthodox" to his organization? Shouldn't people be warned?

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