Moderator: Mark Templet
Perhaps this is what is needed to take place, the reunification of the
ROCOR with MP. Obviously, the ROAC, ROCiE, and the Catacomb Church (whatever is left of it), would watch what takes place after
such a reunification. It it bears fruit, worthy of repentance, perhaps
even they might "come to the table" and reason together. That
would be my sincere hope and prayer.
With humble bow,
Rd. Chrysostomos
Chrysostomos wrote:Perhaps this is what is needed to take place, the reunification of the
ROCOR with MP. Obviously, the ROAC, ROCiE, and the Catacomb Church (whatever is left of it), would watch what takes place after
such a reunification. It it bears fruit, worthy of repentance, perhaps
even they might "come to the table" and reason together. That
would be my sincere hope and prayer.With humble bow,
Rd. Chrysostomos
But I don't think that set up would really answer the question of who followed the right path after Sergius unsurped the throne and issued his declaration. The only way to really sort the whole matter out, I think, is to get every one to the table from the very begining, let them all present their cases and make a descision that is in accordance with canons and so on and so forth. The "downside" to doing it this way is the time involved. It would take years to prepare for a such a council, and then several years more to conduct it.
Daniel,
The best of all situations would be if they all sat down, and if it took
years, I agree, let's start the discussions now! Plus, due to "bad
blood", alot of humble efforts would need to be taken by all parties.
I sincerely would hope and pray that what you advocate would take
place, but if not, then let it start with ROCOR, and then with the others.
With humble bow,
Rd. Chrysostomos
Chrysostomos wrote:Plus, due to "bad
blood", alot of humble efforts would need to be taken by all parties.
I might wonder if a certain species of "survivor's guilt" were playing a major role on a certain side, or perhaps even on both sides. We all suffer when a culture of blame perceivers though there be no one left worthy of blame.
Sincerely:
Joseph
...and the posters of the cafe go round & round, round & round, round & round, the posters of the cafe go round & round all through the... couldn't think of anything that could replace town...
I just remembered a random occurrence in my childhood, please forgive my mixing of English, Russian, & Ukrainian... Close by Jordanville NY (where Holy Trinity Monastery is) is the small town of Herkimer. There there is an Orthodox (canonical, probably not) Ukrainian church. The priest of the church ran a Ukrainian perogi shop in town known as "Mikola's Perogis." Anyway, at the end of lent, preparing for the feast of Pasha, my dad & I walk onto the shop, and Dad asks "Saltse ye?" The old priest looks up and says "Saltse ye." Anyway, from then the priest asked my dad if he was a priest, to which Dad said no, deacon. "Ah, harniy golos, (beautiful voice)" the priest replies, "prihodi, poslujim (come, we'll serve together)" Dad replied that it wasn't possible, as we're not in communion. Fr. Mikola then answered, "Is simple, vse pastari with the harniye borodi (all the archpasters with the beautiful beards) need to be herded into a room, i puskay obidinayutsa, a yesli nehatat obiniatsya, tohda nohaykami po spinam, tohda budut obidinatsya (and let them reunify, and if they don't want to reunify, then horsewhip their backs, then they'll reunify).
Simple, but I think until something happens akin to a horsewhipping from the outside world, our poor Orthodox Church will keep spliting.
Those are my 2 cents.
Ania
<<Edited for some really terrible spelling>>
I was flipping through Not of This World today and came across a passage I must have forgotten about. Very interesting:
It was Archbishop John, however, who was to endure the worst persecution of all. Although he too had been in Eastern Europe, he had remained free before God and had no interest in being part of any clique. Fearlessly following his conscience, he could not be counted on to toe the party line. He concelebrated, for example, with clergy of the Moscow Patriarchate, the "Evlogiite" Church, and the new calendar churches, an action which many of his colleagues considered taboo. At liturgy he even commemorated the Patriarch of Moscow, Alexis, along with his own chief hierarch, Metropolitan Anastassy; and for this he was called a "Communist" by some. Although he himself would have nothing to do with the godless Soviet regime and Church Calendar reforms, he still regarded those unable to resist or escape them as his brothers in the faith, members of the same Orthodox Church. He said there was "no such thing" as seperated church "jurisdictions." This, coupled with his eccentric appearance and behavior, and the consensus of thousands of people worldwide that he was a living saint, made him a very troublesome person to deal with(pg. 216, Not of This World).
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