Prophesy of St. John of Shanghai - birth of the anti-christ

TomS · Post by **TomS** » Thu 1 July 2004 3:53 pm

Joasia wrote:
You really do have quite a pompous attitude, don't you?

Please define the term "pompous" for me. It's such a BIG word.

joasia · Post by **joasia** » Thu 1 July 2004 3:56 pm

It's the guy falling off the ladder, but considers the others lower than himself.

TomS · Post by **TomS** » Thu 1 July 2004 4:01 pm

Joasia wrote:
It's the guy falling off the ladder, but considers the others lower than himself.

Well, not really -- "self-important" would be a more correct definition.

Either way, I don't see how you could consider my response "self-important" when I only stated what my exp. with this "prophesy" is. And that historically, this "prophesy" was always "NOW!"

Грешник · Post by **Грешник** » Thu 1 July 2004 4:03 pm

Forgive me.

I think that the reason hat the signs were given was not so that we would look at it and asess "our time" and say, "Ok, NOW!"

I think that what it is saying is, this is something that will happen when God is good and ready. Because "no man knows the day no not even the hour of the coming of the Lord", then the same applies to the false prophet who is to come before antichrist, and then the end of the world.

It is not a matter of "here they come", for me at least it is a matter of "Am I ready were it to happen today? now?"

This i think is the attitude that one should have towards things such as these.

Another stumbling block for people is "When Christ returns, think ye that He shall find faith upon the earth?"

Well, we can look around and see missionary activity going on all around us, we can see converts, we see baptisms, but what does this all really mean? Does this mean that there is a flourishing of Orthodoxy and thus there is nothing to worry about or should we be even more cautious and look at things as the wise virgins did and not the foolish?

We should always have the oil of faith before us for when the time is deemed upon us when the Bridegroom shall appear before us. For if we do not we will be doomed to hear the words, "I know thee not, be cast from My sight"...

TomS · Post by **TomS** » Thu 1 July 2004 4:05 pm

Juvenaly Martinka wrote:
Forgive me.

I think that the reason that the signs were given was not so that we would look at it and asess "our time" and say, "Ok, NOW!"

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I think that what it is saying is, this is something that will happen when God is good and ready.

...

It is not a matter of "here they come", for me at least it is a matter of "Am I ready were it to happen today? now?"

This i think is the attitude that one should have towards things such as these.

Exactly. I agree 100%

joasia · Post by **joasia** » Thu 1 July 2004 4:42 pm

Tom,

It's not your comment. It's how you express your comment. See how Juvenaly answered? I don't see pretensiousness in that.

It is not a matter of "here they come", for me at least it is a matter of "Am I ready were it to happen today? now?"

Yes, I agree. I guess I'm just keeping that in mind, myself. To completely deny it, at all, would be, not to consider that we have spiritual warefare in our presence. That would make us completely unprepared, like a Trojan horse.

Most of the world is in that spiritual denial.

But, as I mentioned previously, this post or another, we also have to consider our own personal end. When we die, which could be at any minute.

Schultz · Post by **Schultz** » Thu 1 July 2004 5:06 pm

I don't think Tom sounded pretentious or pompous at all in his post. Maybe I'm used to his style.

If anything, Joasia, you got quite defensive.

Relax. After all, Tom's in the GOA