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Re: An Angry Letter from a Former Defender of Abp Gregory...

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Archimandrite George wrote:

Needless to say, Archbishop Gregory is not suspended and not forbidden to serve and to perform any ecclesiastical acts.

George, archimandrite

Needless to say? I'd say it's pretty needed considering the fact that Metropolitan Valentine said the exact opposite. No? I pray, at the very least, those already in ROAC stay with Metropolitan Valentine and will finally be able to see the truth about Gregory(not being rude by leaving out an ecclesial title. he doesn't have one now, does he?).
By the way Nicholas/Nikolai, congratulations on your ordination. I'll be praying for you. I'll be sure to take loads of Suzdal pictures for you as well(if i get out that way). :)

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Post by Alexis in Alaska »

Glory be to Jesus Christ!

Lord, Bless!

Sir:

I think your comments are out of order!

There are ways to differ in opinion and yet remain civil and Orthodox; or have we forgot that Orthodox are supposed to act as Christs. I think you need to use appropriate titles for clergy and that includes Archbishop GREGORY.

There is not one ounce of Christian love in this Forum. One week ROAC people love Archbishop GREGORY and the next they are holding the nails for His Eminence's crucifixion. May God save us! The implications of this wicked and diabolique scandal are not even felt yet; I am so saddened and grieved by the treatment His Eminence is receiving. We cannot even support a man of God! What an indightment against us! SHAME!

This scandal cries to heaven! But the greatest scandal is that we cannot even show Christian love--not one ounce! There is no such thing as presumed innocence in Orthodox circles--when we should be pre-eminently forgiving and loving. We forget to look at people; we forget that His Eminence is a human being. This spirit of the Devil that fuels the heart of Orthodox Christians is so common; This same spirit leads us to eat the flesh of a brother and leave him to die or to smash his reputation. First, we have no right to act as judges in a tribunal. We are the laos and we are called to prayer in times like this and deep rending of garments and many tears. Let us forever cry out that God does not allow Satan loose on us as we do to others; May God withhold His Hand and His Judgement against us for our treason against love and mercy. Amin!

Most Holy Theotokos Save Us!

Lord, Bless!

In Christ God,

Alexis

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Re: Deep Sorrow

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AlaskanOrthodox wrote:

.. I certainly would not hold Archbishop Gregory guilty of leaving ROAC and going to another Jurisdiction. I am a supporter of Archbishop Gregory, period.

So, what's your favorite flavor? Mine is Cherry. Grape is just too fruity don't you think?

AlaskanOrthodox wrote:

...we are called to prayer in times like this and deep rending of garments and many tears. Let us forever cry out that God does not allow Satan loose on us as we do to others; May God withhold His Hand and His Judgement against us for our treason against love and mercy. Amin!

You are absolutely right. This is EXACTLY the prayer that archbishop Gregory should be praying. Let's hope he reads your posts and repents!

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Post by Грешник »

I have a problem with Father George's post for one simple reason.

Father George wrote:

Needless to say, Archbishop Gregory is not suspended and not forbidden to serve and to perform any ecclesiastical acts.

The official Ukase from the Synod states the following:

Ukase 130 of the ROAC wrote:

From everything that has been said above that you are incapable of rulung a diocese and I am therefore constrained to teporariy remove you from your diocese of Colorado as the ruling hierarch and place you in retirement, living in Dormition Skete, without the right to serve or perform until such time as tbe Synod can decide Your case.

I think the decision of the Synod is quite clear here.

Also, regarding the making public of the Ukase as asked by Father George. Because of the magnitude of the situation and the fact that the influence of Bp. Gregory reaches great lengths it was decided that it was in all righteousness to post the Ukase in order to allow others to see the scope of the situation. Usually in a clerical matter the Ukase is a private ting, however when it involves a Bishop, because of his influence and authority it can be decided that this must be made public for the sake of those of the faithful to whom the information is necassary.

I will exlain more when time permits. I apologize for cutting this thread short.

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Post by Alexis in Alaska »

Glory be to Jesus Christ!

Lord, Bless!

When you resort to ad hominem you loose the argument de facto. Try to be more substantive next time.

Since I am not totally without humor of a Jim-Jones type: I like the rasberry-cherry cool-aide :lol:

I like to laugh, but could you try to be more intelligent?

Lord, Bless!

In Christ God,

Alexis

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AlaskanOrthodox wrote:

I like to laugh, but could you try to be more intelligent?

Yes. But I was afraid then that you would not understand my post. Sorry. Next time I will try harder. :lol:

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Re: An Angry Letter from a Former Defender of Abp Gregory...

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Archimandrite George wrote:

I logged into the Euphrosynos Cafe from Bulgaria and I learned of the lengthy discussion about the announcement from Metropolitan Valentine concerning our Archbishop Gregory. Needless to say, this was very shocking to us all, that the Metropolitan would dare to post something to the public about an ecclesiastical matter which Archbishop Gregory first put before the Holy Synod. Archbishop Gregory was waiting for a decision from the Holy Synod concerning a matter of deep importance which he submitted before them and our Metropolitan revealed this to the lower clergy in Colorado. We had hoped that this would just remain a ROAC affair, until the Holy Synod made its decision.

The Metropolitan's announcement has caused great scandal and his motives for doing this are yet to be determined. I hope his motives are not in retaliation to him being placed under accusation to the Holy Synod by Archbishop Gregory. Many have known Archbishop Gregory to be one of the great confessing hierarchs of our time. Do you really think that he would be found wanting in an ecclesiastical controversy and moreso knowing that he would have to answer before the throne of God? Therefore I suggest that since no one knows yet all the facts of this controversy that we refrain from any acts or statements until such time as the Synod makes a decision. Then the righteous shall shine forth and those in error will be corrected. Archbishop Gregory has refrained from speaking about any of this because this matter is before the Holy Synod. Therefore, how can we who know nothing of this matter make any judgments or decisions? Needless to say, Archbishop Gregory is not suspended and not forbidden to serve and to perform any ecclesiastical acts.

George, archimandrite

As the designer of the news site for the St John the Russian Parish and the man who placed the news item online, I take the responsibility for the publication of that posting.

The decision on the part of the administration to place the information concerning the removal of Archbishop Gregory (but not the publication of the Ukaze, which was done through some illegal means unknown to us) was done for the protection of the faithful due to the uncanonical actions taken at Dormition Skete.

The adjuration of Abp Gregory is indeed warranted by the canons, as the Metropolitan was acting as representative of the Synod. However, the early draft of the Ukaze, as I understand it, was incorrectly administered in certain areas. That the draft made it outside the bounds of the ROAC is inexcusable. However, the grounds in which it is based are valid. Archbishop Gregory cannot be retired. However, he is being admonished to do so: the adminition is justified, and the Synod will decide.

Joseph Suaiden

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