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And the source for your quote is where?

The "Peace Sign" is one with the first 2 fingers in a "V". Quite different from "I Love You". Also, Sign Language has developed over centuries, not in the 1930's

http://www.westislandlife.com/asl/history.htm
http://library.thinkquest.org/J002931/d ... nguage.htm

And there is no one Sign Language used by deaf persons. But different ones in other countries.
http://www.nad.org/site/pp.asp?c=foINKQMBF&b=99566'

Further a hand sign with just the index and smallest fingers extended is done in some cultures to ward off evil or to send ill luck. And it is apparently also associated with the University of Texas sports team, the Longhorns (named after a breed of cattle.) Gestures mean different things in different countries. There is no one rule.

"Hook 'Em Horns. The pinkie and index finger raised up and the two middle fingers folded down is beloved of fans of the University of Texas Longhorns, but in parts of Africa this is a curse. And for millions of Italians it is the cornuto, signalling "Your spouse is being unfaithful." Yet in Hawaii raising the pinkie and thumb means "hang loose."
http://www.romwell.com/travel/all/Meanings.htm

A page on the history of the "V"/"Peace" sign for further information. btw in some countries, it's a rude gesture (England) while in Japan it apparently has no meaning, but is done sometimes by people being photographed. (language caution here as the rude meaning of the sign is described)
http://www.mcfly.org/en/V_sign

So I would suggest that when G. Bush made the sign, he was referring to Texas possibly, while others have learnt "I love you". No conspiracies

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:roll: Backing up one's assertions documentation is "childish"? Looking at human cultures and history, too? I hardly think so.

now this sign is probably used in pagan culters well there you have it it's a pagan sign

"Probably" does not follow logically. To say that something "probably" happens is not the same is that it does happen. And the meaning of a thing in one culture is not necessarily the same meaning in another. Sorry, your train of thought is unclear. And I have backed up my points. You have not. With all due respect, why should you be taken as an authority?

I was not alive in the 1920's and 30's (were you?) so I have no knowledge of whether people made a "V" gesture or not. There's are a number of famous photographs of Winston Churchill making it for "Victory" during World War II:
http://images.google.com/images?q=Winst ... sign&hl=en

And it's

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