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Justin Kissel

The Internet and Discussion Fora

Post by Justin Kissel »

I've read many people opine on the place that the internet--and in particular, discussion fora--should have in an Orthodox Christian's life. Mostly, the reaction is negative, which is I suppose understandable given the unedifying, needlessly polemical, and totally mindless rhetoric on some Orthodox lists and fora (including this one... I participate here, after all! :) ). But, I don't want to get into the negative in this post, so on that point I'll only note that in "real life" similar things happen, like the Greek Orthodox fellow who got his nose broken recently after Liturgy.

For me, the internet, including discussion boards, seem like very good things. One of the main reasons I left Protestantism was my email and forum discussions with a certain Protestant student attending Baylor. I eventually found out about Orthodoxy on the internet. Much of my early studying and contact with Orthodox Christians came about via the internet. Some people pointed out my flawed methodology (in the way I was approaching Orthodoxy) via email. Later (and to this day), people are still kind enough to contact me and tell me when I am making a fool of myself and letting my pride show with full colors. It is on the internet--an Orthodox email list--that I met the woman who is now my wife. It was in an Orthodox chat room that I asked her out on our first date. It was on the internet that the proposal for marriage was offered (at the time I lived about 90 miles away and drove to see her when I could--this may seem unrelated to the topic at hand, but I believe that beside entering the Church, marriage to a true Orthodox Christian is probably the most profound step a person can take in their life, and that step was taken by Mary and I online, as scandalous as that might seem).

I've learned countless things on the internet; many times I've learnt how very wrong I was and am. I sometimes pull up old posts or articles of mine written years ago, or even months ago, during a Google search, and just shake my head at the pride, arrogance, ignorance, or whatever else I see in them. Again, many people have been kind enough to point this out to me as well, including the late Fr. Averky of Jordanville... who corrected me via email. I learnt about ROCOR, and "traditionalism" in general, online. Some people would say that that's a bad thing, I guess :) It is through online discussions that I saw that I needed to stay put (in ROCOR) for now, and just try to live my life in Christ with my wife. I'll mention that people on the internet who I told this too were far kinder to me than I was to some of them when they had made similar decisions. To this day, fellows like Anastasios, Dn. Nicholas, Seraphim Reeves, and OrthodoxOrDeath put me to shame by their Orthodox conduct. There is much that is unedifying on the internet... but there is also certainly much that is good.

Having said all of this... for the past couple years, my wife and I have taken a few months off from the net towards the end of the year. Admittedly, the last two years it was because of circumstances which were, for the most part, out of our hands. Nonetheless, I think it is a good practice to continue, so while some people leave off internet discussions for the Lenten season, my wife and I are going to leave off at this point, going into Nativity. I actually meant to cut my posts drastically months ago, and started out ok, but things have declined quite a bit since then. So, this will be the time to start anew with my intentions. [shameless plug] The only online time will be adding things to our website.[/shameless plug] I hope none of this was too personal... I'm of the opinion that if we knew more about each other we'd be less likely to make knee-jerk posts and slam each other (but that's another topic).

In Christ,

Justin and Mary

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Post by Liudmilla »

Justin and Mary:

Good Luck with your sabbatical. I can understand your reasonings for this "break". My husband tries to regularly give himself a break from the computer, sometimes just a day or two, sometimes for a week or more, depends on his "need". I have found that such breaks are of benefit to him and his work.

As with anything in our lives, we sometimes need to put distance between us and "it". Whether it is for rest, solice or to recoup our energies. Brings to mind the old adage that said....too much of anything is no good for you.

Hope to hear from you soon......Enjoy the upcoming holidays and stay heathy!

Milla

Justin Kissel

Post by Justin Kissel »

Well, I regret to say I haven't been able to stay away as I had intended. Apparently I have to cease internet usage altogether for it to work. I'm just posting this because I don't want to be a hypocrite (though I guess I am anyway).

romiosini

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Justin Kissel wrote:

Well, I regret to say I haven't been able to stay away as I had intended. Apparently I have to cease internet usage altogether for it to work. I'm just posting this because I don't want to be a hypocrite (though I guess I am anyway).

Wow, Justin, weren't you once upon a time a Moderator? Wow, I am truly surprised. I actually thought you agreed with whatever might of Nicholas or OOD or SeraphimR would've said. I am really amazed. (Not in a bad way of course) Just one little question if it doesn't bother you... Did you ever change jurisdiction like some people have been doing lately due to the ROCOR MP dialogues? Anyways, I really enjoyed your posts, and to me you are no hypocrite what so ever. If I had an extremist mentality, I would've called you now a heretic for saying such things like that above. But as you know me, I hope you find yourself peace without the internet, and a good struggle, hopefully we'll meet someday in sometime too.

Romiosini

Justin Kissel

Post by Justin Kissel »

Romiosini

I'm afraid I've again made a confusing post! :) I'm not permanently leaving the internet, for while that might be a very good thing I have to admit that I probably couldn't do it. I was merely lamenting my lack of will power... for it was only when I was in situations where I couldn't and didn't have access to an internet connection that I stayed offline. I will return again after December, as I had said before, I just wanted to post the above (previous) post because I have been online and some of the people who know me know it.

Regarding jurisdiction, I am still in ROCOR and at this point will stay here for a bit. This is not to say that I ahve anything at all against the group that we were going to join, it's just a decision we felt we had to make. I've actually moved pretty far "to the left" (so to speak) on a number of issues, but that's more like blog material than theology forum stuff (which isn't to say that I have a blog, or will be getting another one) :)

I'm a bit confused regarding the moderator thing. It is true that I was a moderator here at various times over the past couple years. I also still respect Dcn. Nicholas, OOD, and Seraphim Reeves, though I might disagree with certain of them now more than I would have 9 months ago. Still, I would consider it polite (if "passionate") disagreement among friends (or whatever term might be best).

(Hopefully!) Signing off till after Christmas,

Justin

PS. St. Justin's voice was much stronger and more concise than I had imagined it would be. For some reason, I expected a meek, low voice. But his voice is just like his writings: fiery and inspiring!

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