Latin Prophecy of the "Great Monarch"

Stepanov · Post by **Stepanov** » Thu 17 March 2005 1:59 pm

Are any of you familiar with this?

From what I have heard, some Latins believe that a future "Great Monarch" will arise who, after a period of great trial and turmoil, defeats his enemies and rules practically the entire world, aided by the counsel of a saintly pope called "the Angelic Pastor."

After the period of the "Great Monarch" and the "Angelic Pastor" comes the time of the end and the Antichrist.

Am I the only one who sees a possibility that the "Great Monarch" and the "Angelic Pastor" will not be the heroes the Latins imagine but rather the two beasts of Revelation?

Apparently the Great Monarch/Angelic Pastor stuff is based largely on private prophecies and creative exegesis of Scripture.

Are these things setting the Latin world up to welcome the Antichrist and the False Prophet?

Schultz · Post by **Schultz** » Thu 17 March 2005 2:49 pm

As a member of the CAtholic Church, who grew up a Latin Catholic, I've never heard this before. Whatever it is, it is most decidedly not a part of Church teaching and most likely comes from the fringe. You yourself even said much of it springs from private revelation.

These are the same people who supposedly see the Theotokos on a piece of toast.

I would not put any stock at all into such pseudo-religious babble.

Stepanov · Post by **Stepanov** » Thu 17 March 2005 5:04 pm

Schultz wrote:
As a member of the CAtholic Church, who grew up a Latin Catholic, I've never heard this before. Whatever it is, it is most decidedly not a part of Church teaching and most likely comes from the fringe. You yourself even said much of it springs from private revelation.

These are the same people who supposedly see the Theotokos on a piece of toast.

I would not put any stock at all into such pseudo-religious babble.

Oh, I don't put any stock in it, but it does seem to be a fixture of at least some popular piety.

I was aware - at least I think I am aware - that the whole Great Monarch/Angelic Pastor prophecy thing is not a part of official Latin teaching.

There is a guy named Desmond Burch who appears on EWTN pretty regularly. He wrote a book (I cannot recall the name of it) that goes into the whole "Great Monarch/Angelic Pastor" thing in great detail. He apparently believes it. If he is a fringe guy, the folks at EWTN don't seem to know it.

Since you are a member of the Latin Church and you've never heard of these prophecies, maybe you could kind of informally poll other Latins that you know and see if they have heard of this. Maybe you could check it out and see to what extent this is a part of popular Latin belief.

If you find out anything, please let us know.

Stepanov · Post by **Stepanov** » Thu 17 March 2005 5:29 pm

Here is one of the supposed prophecies of the Great Monarch/Angelic Pastor from the Catholic End Times Prophecy web site:

"At the same time there will be a great Pope, who will be most eminent in sanctity and most perfect in every quality. This Pope shall have with him, the Great Monarch, a most virtuous man, who shall be a scion of the holy race of the French kings. This Great Monarch will assist the Pope in the reformation of the whole earth. Many princes and nations that are living in error shall be converted, and an admirable peace shall reign among men during many years, because the wrath of God shall be appeased through their repentence, penance, and good works. There will be one common law, one only faith, one baptism, one religion. All nations shall recognize the Holy See of Rome and shall pay homage to the Pope." St. Caesar of Arles (469-453)

I underlined the part about one religion.

I realize the "Catholic End Times Prophecy" web site is the product of some individual and not an official arm of the Latin Church.

Maria · Post by **Maria** » Fri 18 March 2005 3:55 pm

Stepanov wrote:
Here is one of the supposed prophecies of the Great Monarch/Angelic Pastor from the Catholic End Times Prophecy web site:

"At the same time there will be a great Pope, who will be most eminent in sanctity and most perfect in every quality. This Pope shall have with him, the Great Monarch, a most virtuous man, who shall be a scion of the holy race of the French kings. This Great Monarch will assist the Pope in the reformation of the whole earth. Many princes and nations that are living in error shall be converted, and an admirable peace shall reign among men during many years, because the wrath of God shall be appeased through their repentence, penance, and good works. There will be one common law, one only faith, one baptism, one religion. All nations shall recognize the Holy See of Rome and shall pay homage to the Pope." St. Caesar of Arles (469-453)

I underlined the part about one religion.

I realize the "Catholic End Times Prophecy" web site is the product of some individual and not an official arm of the Latin Church.

I take these end time prophecies as warnings that we may have a great tribulation, but nothing more. We just don't know when Christ will come again; however, we do know that He will come soon to take us personally home to Him.

Whether it is the Second Coming of Christ or our own falling asleep in Christ, does it matter? We must be repentant. This is the ultimate importance. Are we ready. NO. Will we ever be ready? Probably not as we are sinners in need of daily repentance.

Lord have mercy on us and save us.

Stepanov · Post by **Stepanov** » Sat 19 March 2005 9:48 pm

I think the Second Coming is important, otherwise the Lord wouldn't have bothered to tell us about it, St. Paul wouldn't have called it our "blessed hope" (Titus 2:13), and it wouldn't have been included in the Symbol of Faith.

But what about these Latin prophecies of the Great Monarch/Angelic Pastor?

Maria · Post by **Maria** » Sat 19 March 2005 10:17 pm

Stepanov wrote:
I think the Second Coming is important, otherwise the Lord wouldn't have bothered to tell us about it, St. Paul wouldn't have called it our "blessed hope" (Titus 2:13), and it wouldn't have been included in the Symbol of Faith.

But what about these Latin prophecies of the Great Monarch/Angelic Pastor?

They are just private revelations. I await the Second Coming which I personally feel is very close. We have been in the Tribulation since Pentecost. Will things get worse? I think so because Christ mentioned that the faith of many will grow cold.

Have you done any studies on Revelation at your Church?

My priest did and I think OOD mentioned that they had a study at his church. Maybe we could discuss the end times here (if there isn't already a thread somewhere)?

YSIC
Maria