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Many questions and zero answer:

Is Vladyka Vitaly in good health?
There are “his” bishops concerned at all about him?
It’s true that Mother Juliana says that if she had know what will happens (new “bishops”, new “synod”…) she had say no to Liudmilla's request?
Is Liudmilla still the “contact” between Vladyka Vitaly and the “rocie bishops?”
Are the Esphigmenou synodia aware about what happens in Montreal and what happens in Cannes?
Is true that the situation of Metropolitan Vitaly "becomes even more complicated because of the fact that among those persons who are closest to the First Hierarch, reign dissensions, competition, and a struggle by groups for influence and inheritance”, as says the respected Archpriest Alexander Lebedeff ?
Is true that the “rocie bishops” are more concerned in power and wealth that in Rocor's possible approach with the MP?
There are many and many more questions… even without any credible answer.

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joasia wrote:

You don't even know how it feels to be in ROCOR. You don't know what we have gone through...

Well this should make you all happy, right? I mean, how could you be holding the TRUE FAITH and be THE ELECT (tm) if this world was not PERSECUTING you. I mean the THE ELECT (tm), are SUPPOSED to be miserable (remember... not to smile). The more miserable, the better! Having your Church burned down MUST be a GOOD thing? Oh Joy! Satan HATES US! WE MUST be on the right track!

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Antoniohassen wrote:

Are you aware why the “rocie” is without faithful, except in Montreal where Vladyka is?

I cannot judge because I don't know the situation well there in Canada and it USA, but I believe that one cannot judge through people. People are sometimes fearful and they doubts when taking big determinations, this is specially bigger when they have spiritual fathers manipulators, lying them, deceiving them, etc.

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CHRIST IS RISEN!

Well this should make you all happy, right? I mean, how could you be holding the TRUE FAITH and be THE ELECT (tm) if this world was not PERSECUTING you. I mean the THE ELECT (tm), are SUPPOSED to be miserable (remember... not to smile). The more miserable, the better!
Having your Church burned down MUST be a GOOD thing? Oh Joy! Satan HATES US! WE MUST be on the right track.

Why do you write with such hatred and sarcasm?

Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me. (Ps. 50)

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Well I happen to know that here in California ROCIE does have a good number of Faithful in there Flock,and one doesnt have to be Russian or even a part of THE Synod to understand that Vladyka Metropolitan Vitaly is being persecuted by many,including people..as Alot of the other Vladyka Metropolitans of Blessed Memory have seen with there own eyes-PUT NOT YOUR TRUST IN PRINCES OR SONS OF MAN......
and it is very sad when someone dear to us is taken away we have all experienced this in some sort of way.But,We must remember to be strong and true,because we are the FUTURE of the Church and if we start agreeing on who is Wrong and who is right,then we have begun the big E word..so dont take things so hard,after all we are all blessed the Lord has given us this day to live..........I love you all,But not as much as our Lord Jesus Christ

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Antoniohassen wrote:

Is Vladyka Vitaly in good health?

From what I know, his condition varies from extreme lucidity and clarity characteristic of his younger years to confusion and disorientation typical of many people of such advanced age.

Antoniohassen wrote:

There are “his” bishops concerned at all about him?

Yes, Vladika Vitaly is loved by all and recently recieved the title "most Blessed"; many visit him. Bishop Sergei is the closest to him, of course; Bishop Bartholomew in Edmonton is quite far away, and the others are still further.

Antoniohassen wrote:

It’s true that Mother Juliana says that if she had know what will happens (new “bishops”, new “synod”…) she had say no to Liudmilla's request?

I don't quite understand this question - Mother Juliana in Chile has always supported Metropolitan Vitaly to my knowledge, and continues to be active in the Rocie community - or is there another Mother Juliana? What request did Liudmilla make of her?

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Is Liudmilla still the “contact” between Vladyka Vitaly and the “rocie bishops?”

The Metropolitan often picks up the phone if you call Mansonville; Liudmilla has not been a factor in recent synodal meetings to my knowledge. So, the answer is no.

Antoniohassen wrote:

Are the Esphigmenou synodia aware about what happens in Montreal and what happens in Cannes?

Rocie is in contact with Esphigmenou and the monks are well informed of the situation, which is why they wrote their article.

Antoniohassen wrote:

Is true that the situation of Metropolitan Vitaly "becomes even more complicated because of the fact that among those persons who are closest to the First Hierarch, reign dissensions, competition, and a struggle by groups for influence and inheritance”, as says the respected Archpriest Alexander Lebedeff ?

Nothing could be further from the truth. There was a period of instability, as must be expected given the tumultuous and disturbing time around the separation of the Lavrite group, but problems have been resolved in a canonical way and good order reigns in the ROCOR(V)

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Is true that the “rocie bishops” are more concerned in power and wealth that in Rocor's possible approach with the MP?

This is ridiculous, as there is no power or wealth to be had in the Rocor(V). In fact, I would suggest that ROCOR(L) and the MP are the ones playing the power games as they move towards rapproachment. In Rocor(V) we are not concerned with this anymore as the ROCOR(L) has long made their views on the matter clear - nothing surprises us.

That said, it is absolutely untrue that Rocor(V) has no parishioners or laity outside of Montreal. I invite you to visit the cathedral in Edmonton, our missions throughout North America, any one of our many churches in Russia or Europe, or our monasteries in California, Chile, or Komi.

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Joshua Fraese wrote:

That said, it is absolutely untrue that Rocor(V) has no parishioners or laity outside of Montreal. I invite you to visit the cathedral in Edmonton, our missions throughout North America, any one of our many churches in Russia or Europe, or our monasteries in California, Chile, or Komi.

Also all is well for mission ROCOR-V in Brazil - Deacon Kesary Mortari, and to ROCOR-V Parish in Venezuela - Priest Alexander Amilachwari -.

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