Patriarch Alexej II on Ecumenism and Sergianism

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Patriarch Alexej II on Ecumenism and Sergianism

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PATRIARCH ALEXY II OF MOSCOW AND ALL RUSSIA COMMENTS THE RESPONSE OF THE BISHOPS' COUNCIL OF THE CHURCH OUTSIDE RUSSIA TO THE FRATERNAL MASSAGE OF THE MOSCOW PATRIARCHATE

After his meeting with the new US Ambassador in Russia, Mr. Alexander Vershbow, on November 5, 2001, His Holiness Patriarch Alexy II answered questions from journalists, who asked, among other things, about the response of the Bishops' Council of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia (ROCOR) to the Fraternal Message of Patriarch Alexy II of Moscow and All Russia and the Holy Synod of the Russian Orthodox Church.

Given below are answers of His Holiness to these questions.

  • Your Holiness, what is your assessment of the response of the ROCOR Bishops' Council?

  • I thought that the response to our Fraternal Message would be softer. Apparently, the schism that obtains in the Russian Church Outside Russia today tells on it, as there are both ardent opponents of any contacts with the Mother Church and a large group of hierarchs who are proponents of initiating a dialogue and possible reunification.

We hope that the opinion of a majority of sensible hierarchs in the Church Abroad, who believe that it is necessary to return to the fold of the Mother Church, will prevail. There are no reasons today for their continued stay outside the Mother Church. With time the Russian Church Abroad will increasingly lose her Russian character, because the new generation of her episcopate and clergy are no longer mostly Russian by nationality, but belong to those nations in which the Russian Church Abroad carries out her service. One more decade and the Russian Church Abroad will be Russian only by name. Time does not wait, it is necessary to re-unite with the Mother Church.

  • Your Holiness, in the message of the ROCOR Bishops' Council, the Russian Orthodox Church is again accused of “Sergianism” and ecumenism. What can you say as regards this?

  • As regards the accusations of the so-called Sergianism, I would like to say that one has to live here, in the homeland, to understand that it is an artificial accusation and an artificial pretext whipped up only to prevent reunification. Reference is made mostly to the message of Metropolitan Sergiy (Stragorodsky) of 1927, the so-called Declaration of Metropolitan Sergiy. By this message he wanted to show to the authorities, which, I will remind you, put clergy and faithful to prisons and shoot them to death, that the Church was not a counter-revolutionary organization. Therefore, the message stated: “…we want to be Orthodox and want to be aware of the Soviet Union as our Motherland whose joys are our joy and whose sorrows are our sorrows”. More often than not, it its these words that arouse far-fetched criticism: “What joys can one have in common with a atheistic state?” But there was no point about an atheistic state, the point was the Motherland, though in 1927 this notion was almost forgotten.

It was a courageous step by which Metropolitan Sergiy tried to save the Church and the clergy. By stating that the church members wanted to be aware of themselves as part of their Motherland and wanted to share her joys and sorrows, he tried to show to those who persecuted the Church, who destroyed it, that we, children of the Church, want to be loyal citizens, so that one's belonging to the Church might not put one outside the law. So it is a far-fetched accusation.

As far the accusation of ecumenism is concerned, I will say that today no Church, including the Russian Church Abroad, can withdraw to isolation. We live in this world and should and will relate to people of other confessions and faiths. Especially today when global terrorism is spreading, all need to unite efforts against the evil.

I would like to stress that participating in the work of international Christian organizations, the Russian Orthodox Church has always witnessed to Holy Orthodoxy. Her presence helped representatives of western confessions to understand the Orthodox position. No one of those who participated in the work of international Christian organizations has ever departed from their faith by a jot. We have always borne witness to Orthodoxy, to our belonging to the Holy Orthodox Church.

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Alexy II said:

We hope that the opinion of a majority of sensible hierarchs in the Church Abroad, who believe that it is necessary to return to the fold of the Mother Church, will prevail. There are no reasons today for their continued stay outside the Mother Church. With time the Russian Church Abroad will increasingly lose her Russian character, because the new generation of her episcopate and clergy are no longer mostly Russian by nationality, but belong to those nations in which the Russian Church Abroad carries out her service. One more decade and the Russian Church Abroad will be Russian only by name. Time does not wait, it is necessary to re-unite with the Mother Church.

Philetism?

Alexy II Said:

It was a courageous step by which Metropolitan Sergiy tried to save the Church and the clergy. By stating that the church members wanted to be aware of themselves as part of their Motherland and wanted to share her joys and sorrows, he tried to show to those who persecuted the Church, who destroyed it, that we, children of the Church, want to be loyal citizens, so that one's belonging to the Church might not put one outside the law. So it is a far-fetched accusation.

Christ Saves, does not Metropolitan Sergei. Christ protects to the Church, does not Metropolitan Sergei

...and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. (St Matthew 16:18)

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Alexy II Said:
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It was a courageous step by which Metropolitan Sergiy tried to save the Church and the clergy. By stating that the church members wanted to be aware of themselves as part of their Motherland and wanted to share her joys and sorrows, he tried to show to those who persecuted the Church, who destroyed it, that we, children of the Church, want to be loyal citizens, so that one's belonging to the Church might not put one outside the law. So it is a far-fetched accusation.

Christ Saves, does not Metropolitan Sergei. Christ protects to the Church, does not Metropolitan Sergei

...and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. (St Matthew 16:1

I think it is a sly move to try to reduce sergianism down to a statement and a certain interpretation of that statement. Sergianism is much more. It is countless "priests" and "bishops" who are cooperating and working for the destruction of the Church, killing and murdering thousands, knocking down almost every church, some really being KGB agents disguised as priests, and others who accepted them. In other words it is a big lie. In fact, the entire MP is based on the core element of the dozen original agents installed to start the organization. It is all a big show that has nothing at all to do with the real Church, which was always alive and breathing far away from these monsters.

No matter how many sutchers have been cleaned and no matter how nice the clothes he is wearing, Frankenstein is still Frankenstein.

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Patriarch Alexej II said:

"It was a courageous step by which Metropolitan Sergiy tried to save the Church and the clergy."

The best argument to not be in communion with Patriarch Alexej II comes from himself.

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AMDG wrote:

The best argument to not be in communion with Patriarch Alexej II comes from himself.

It is a great truth

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Priest Siluan wrote:
AMDG wrote:

The best argument to not be in communion with Patriarch Alexej II comes from himself.

It is a great truth

Brethren, is this great Protestant truth. Thinking back to when the Church was brought to Russia and Russia and the church was one. Yes bad things happened, through the repentance of us all, "The gates of hell shall not prevail". The Mother Church as it was originally established can once again claim her rightful place.

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SouthernOrthodox wrote:

Brethren, is this great Protestant truth. Thinking back to when the Church was brought to Russia and Russia and the church was one. Yes bad things happened, through the repentance of us all, "The gates of hell shall not prevail". The Mother Church as it was originally established can once again claim her rightful place.

To know which is the True Russian Mother Church, you should investigate more and you will realize that MP is not , MP is only a Stalinist invention of 1943. On the other hand if you would know the truth you will have more care to denominate any lie like Russian Mother Church.

Excuse my English

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