Comparison Of Jesus-Krishna Preachings

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Comparison Of Jesus-Krishna Preachings

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The Divine preaching of Holy Jesus is the top most Gospel in the world and touches the climax of the truth. For example Holy Krishna says in Gita that one should withdraw himself from the family bonds slowly like a tortoise withdrawing its limbs (Kurmo ngaaneeva). The tradition of Datta is to cut the family bonds by the Sword of Knowledge as per Gita (Jnanaasi natmanah). But Holy Jesus says that one should hate these family bonds to become His disciple. Cutting the bond is Zero. Existing in the bond is Plus and hating the bond is Minus. Zero is near to Plus and Minus is very far. So if you cut the bond it may form again. But if you hate the bond the bond will never be formed so that the bond with the Lord alone is eternal. See the preaching of Lord Jesus with impartial attitude and without conservatism. After all a diamond is diamond whether it is foreign diamond or Indian diamond. Thus Holy Jesus is the king of all the divine preachers. He is like the Sun from whom these divine sentences radiate like rays.

Holy Bible speaks about the ever-lasting fire and that the souls have no rebirth. Hindu scriptures say that the soul has rebirth. Both these can be convinced and co-related. The condemned souls enter the everlasting fire, which means that these souls take the births as animals, birds, worms etc, which are like the fire due to the continuous agony. The word “everlasting” means that once the soul enters into the cycle of these births the soul will never come back to the human birth. The rebirth as a human being as told in the Hindu scriptures can be again co-related with the Holy Bible.

Holy Jesus says that the Kingdom of God is extended into this world. The meaning of this is that whenever God comes in human form to stay with us (Immanuel), the disciples of the Lord will be staying in this divine Kingdom on the throwns equally with the Lord. This means the servants of the Lord will take rebirth as human beings and will be preaching here and they will be respected like God. For Ex: The Holy Pope is given the status of God. The Holy Pope and other such top most Bishops and pious Fathers who are indulged in the propagation of the knowledge will get the status of God here itself in this world. Thus, the inner sense is the same in all the scriptures, which is spoken in different ways. The ways are different but the real essence is the same.

The aim of human life is to achieve the grace that is the love of God. Even if you earn more money you are not carrying it after death. Very little money is sufficient to eat and drink which the animals and the birds are also doing even without money. If the aim of the money is only eating, drinking and enjoying, you will be born as animal or bird or worm in the next birth. If your file is opened in the upper world you will not get definitely the human birth. When you serve the Lord in this world when He comes in the human form then only you can get human birth without any enquiry in order to serve the Lord when the Lord reincarnates. You must recognize the Lord by His knowledge, because Veda says that knowledge is Brahman.

Only miracles are not the signs since demons also performed miracles. Gita says that the Lord comes down in human form (Maanusheem tanu masritam). Gita also says that it is very difficult to worship formless (Avyaktahi). Gita also says that if one worships the inert statue, he will be born as a stone (Bhutejya yanti Bhutani). So you must serve the Lord by doing practical service which consists of 1) Sacrifice of work 2) Sacrifice of fruit of work (money), which is also a form of work. The Sacrifice must be to the full extent. When a beggar gives one rupee that is greater than one lakh given by a multi lakhier because the beggar has sacrificed what ever he possessed. Holy Jesus appreciated one old lady who donated whatever she possessed, as the highest divine soul.

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Here is somthing you must read, and be very careful with what you read. I know first hand the confussion,irratability,and insanity that comes with the studies of other so called religions, you must be properly grounded in CHRIST,and have a spiritual person to guide you thru this very deep path....In fact I was told by a pious Bishop that I had no right or reason to study any so called religion other than Orthodoxy. because I am a Christian this would be blasphemy ,because I was Born in Christ and this wasnt by mistake. the mistake was made when I with free will from God seeked out fancy,mystical,and extravagent so called religions and basically came into constant attack by the evil one..BEWARE there is a Black side and its calling all our names, to abandone Christ our Creator and only One we must trust and learn of .........

A Sermon on Reading Spiritual Works
by Archbishop Platon of Kostroma
This is the commandment given by the holy Apostle [Paul] to his beloved disciple, Bishop Timothy. The reading of holy writings of profit to the soul is one of the main means of succeeding in the spiritual life. Following the Apostle, the Holy Fathers also command us to read continually the holy writings, since this is an important means to spiritual perfection. Such reading is absolutely necessary, especially in the present age, when worldly education and worldly habits threaten to stifle a taste for everything spiritual, and false teachings and ideas are spreading rapidly.

Brethren, without doubt you read many books, but how often do you read books on spiritual matters? Such reading is a respected, beneficial, and gratifying occupation.

First, the reading of spiritual books is honorable. For what reading can compare with it? What is the honor in reading history, the works of philosophy and of famous writers of the pagan past? If true honor and glory consist in feeling oneself near to God and His saints, then it is through spiritual reading that we attain this honor and glory, for through it God speaks with us; through it the great saints converse with us, and through it we enter into communion with the entire Heavenly Kingdom. What an honor to a mortal human being and mere creation!

God speaks with us when we read the Holy Scripture, for what does it contain, if not the Word of God itself? In it is His truth, His teaching, His commandments. But do we listen when He speaks, or as we read? Regardless of when these words were written, one and the same God speaks to us. "If we read the Sacred Scriptures with faith," says St. Basil the Great, "we will feel that we see and hear Christ Himself. What is it we need, an actual voice or the One Who speaks to us through the Scriptures? It is all the same. In Sacred Scripture, God speaks with us just as truly as when we speak with Him through prayer." For this reason, prayer and the reading of sacred books must be our continuous occupation. Pray or read continually if you want to be with God at all times.

Why do we not want to use for reading and prayer the time we spend outside of church? Why do we not want to meet with Christ, to talk with Christ, to hear Christ? We talk with Him when we pray; we hear Him when we read the divine word. Why do we neglect the Word of God and read books which only feed our curiosity and are sometimes pernicious and harmful? For one of the evils of the present age is unselective reading.

The saints talk with us when we read their writings. Through their writings, they guide us and speak to us and we, so to speak, resurrect through them after their death in order to talk with them. Thus, we have no reason to envy the contemporaries of Chrysostom, Basil the Great, Gregory the Theologian, Athanasius the Great, Ambrose and others. From the holy ranks of the Fathers we may choose with whom it is best for us to converse. There is no better, more joyous, and more beneficial way to spend the time we have than in reading the writings of the Holy Fathers.

Finally, by reading books which are profitable for the soul, we enter into communion with all the dwellers of Paradise. When I read books about God," says the hieromartyr Timothy, "then the angels of God surround me." The holy writings speak of the glory of the saints, of their blessedness, of their virtues and ascetic labors, through which and read they were vouchsafed to be inheritors of the Kingdom of God. We ourselves, as it were, become citizens of a different world and dwellers of Heaven. We hear only that which concerns Paradise, so that we may say, "Our life is in the heavens" (Phil. 3:20), "Ye are no more strangers or foreigners, but co-dwellers with the saints and friends of God." Is it not a great honor to enter into communion and talk with the ambassadors from of the Heavenly King? What can give us more honor than conversing, through reading of spiritual books, with the holy Angels, with the souls of the blessed, and with God Himself.

Secondly, the exercise of reading soul-profiting books is not only an honorable study, but also a beneficial one. What kind of benefit can the reading of other books bring? They bring the mere satisfaction of our curiosity, the mere acquisition of knowledge. But many books, especially the ones which contradict the teaching of the Orthodox Church, can bring only harm. The Lord Jesus Christ, our Light and our King, says that ‘by their fruits shall ye know them" (Mt. 7:16). What are the pleasant fruits of the books which contradict faith and morals? They alienate us from the Law of the Lord, or what is more, from God, the Law-giver Himself. They are the dwelling place of demons and of their prince, the devil. They do not lead those who read them to light, but only into darkness. They do not arouse the fear of God, but only more success in sinfulness. These are the tares which the enemy sowed on the field of the master of the house. These are the weeds which grew on the earth, cursed by God the Master. They are lies, darkness, and deception. Flee from them, especially you who are young, so that their teaching does not root itself in your heart. Flee from the books which arouse the passions, so that you do not drive away from yourself the Angels of God and the Holy Spirit. Flee from harmful books, for they dry up compunctionate tears, darken the heart, and have destroyed, do destroy, and will destroy many people.

But, When I read holy books," says St. Gregory the Theologian about the books of St. Basil the Great, ‘then the spirit and body are illumined and I become the temple of God and the harp of the Holy Spirit, played by divine powers through them I am corrected and through them I receive a kind of divine change and I am made into a different person." The great Hierarch Gregory says this about reading holy writings out of his own experience. They completely transfigure a person, making him into a saint and dei1ying him.

Do you remember how the conversion of the Blessed Augustine was accomplished? For a long time the grace of God had already touched his heart. He could not bear the torment of soul caused by his sinful life and yet at the same time he could not leave it. He both wanted it and did not want it. But as soon as he heard the words, "Take, read," and had read several words, he immediately resolved to abandon his sinful life. What gave cause to such a change? The advice which is often heard, but is rarely given the attention it deserves: "take and read."

Therefore, cleave to reading spiritual writings. It will lead you to that wonderful change which took place in so many saints. Through these works we receive great and holy enlightenment. Through them we learn of the path to salvation, we learn what kind of temptations await us on this path, and about the means by which we may be delivered from them. Anyone who does not read spiritual books is separated from God, for he falls into former sins due to ignorance of the Scriptures. This is the source of heresy and the neglect of the true spiritual life. Those who do not read the holy writings walk in deep darkness and are like the blind who have no one to lead them, who rush on and fall into a ditch. So let our eyes be enlightened by the light of the word of God, for Sacred Scripture enlightens more brightly than the sun those who read with love and who keep the commandments of God.

Thirdly, what delight, joy, and comfort there is to be gained through the reading of works which profit the soul. There is nothing more pleasant than this occupation. The Psalmist says, "How sweet to my tongue are Thy words, 0 Lord" (Ps. 118:103), "sweeter than honey and the honeycomb" (Ps. 108). This food pleases every palate. This is the true manna, the heavenly food, the angelic bread which was prepared by Heaven without labor on our part, and which has in it every sort of sweetness and every sort of fragrance, satisfying every man’s needs. What can be more pleasant than this? If you do not know this from your own experience, then believe the experience of the countless saints who found in the reading of the word of God all their joy and the greatest of comfort. For how many times and how powerfully it comforted the holy Maccabees amidst their great sorrows. Was it not in the reading of holy books that they found their joy? The holy Apostle Paul advises the Romans to seek comfort in the Sacred Scriptures (Rom. 15:4). With what did St. Paul comfort himself in prison? He asks his beloved disciple Timothy to send the books he left behind, in order to use them during his confinement in prison (2 Tim. 4).

Do we, with the saints, find our joy in the reading of soul-saving books? Alas! We find our comfort, our glory, and food in vain things. We read books which only feed curiosity and which are often very harmful. The day seems too short for acquiring knowledge and we spend whole nights in reading books, while nothing can distract us. What can be said of those who spend day and night in the reading of harmful, tempting books which smother faith and which arouse and feed the passions? Leave them quickly, my brother," says one great ascetic, ‘so that you do not surround your own heart with the diabolic fire, so that in place of grain these tares may not be sown in your field and in place of life you receive death, and... (why do I waste words?) that in place of Christ you accept into yourself the devil. Do not be tardy in this, but save yourself as did Lot from Sodom" (St. Barsanuphius, p. 607).

Do not be lazy, O Christians! Read spiritual works so that your soul may not die starved of hearing the word of God with which God threatens us through the prophets. Remember that the noble of the Queen Candace, while sitting in a chariot on the road, read the Sacred Scriptures and for this was vouchsafed to be called to the Kingdom of Jesus Christ. Let us continually read Sacred Scripture, the writings of the Holy Fathers of the Church, and other soul-profiting works. But when we approach the reading of these books, we must first pray with all our heart to the Lord God that He might open the eyes of our heart and that we not only understand what is written, but do it. For he who reads and does not do what is written despises the Divine Scriptures.

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But some of them said, He casteth out devils through Beelzebub the chief of the devils. And others, tempting him, sought of him a sign from heaven. But he, knowing their thoughts, said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and a house divided against a house falleth. If Satan also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand? because ye say that I cast out devils through Beelzebub. And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your sons cast them out? therefore shall they be your judges.(St Luke 11:15-19)

Then. What similarity can it exist between Christ and Beelzebu?

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There are in fact some similarities between orthodox christianity and some doctrines in hinduism. For example. The negative (apophatic) theology...Nirguna Brahmans means that you cannot define God by any positive definition since this would exclude the opposite statement and end with dualism. St John of Damscus negative theology is very similar.

Orthodox Christianitys teaching about nous and noetic knowledge of God, is very similar to the hinu teaching about a higher intuitive knowledge about God.

But then, of course, there are big differences. Dattaswamy projects hindu doctrines on christianity..why not do the opposite. Reincarnation could mean just one fina Resurection of the body....this may seem odd...but why not.

No, seriously....you CANNOT do this projections. It is pride to think you know Christ better than his own disciples and His own Church whom he gave grace to tesch a pure gospel.

I beg, you dattaswamy, not to look on Christ through your own concepts, but by the concepts of the Christian ascetics and Holy Fathers. Read more, learn more.....show more humility.

Exact science must presently fall upon its own keen sword...from Skepsis there is a path to "second religiousness," which is the sequel and not the preface of the Culture.

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You guys are such saps to fall into this conversation. Datta is preaching to you and you sit there and think you can convert him/her. You can't even come to an understanding about our jurisdictional dilemmas, amongst yourselves, and you think you have the gift to preach about Orthodoxy to someone who couldn't care less.

I've asked the moderators to clean up this board of any non-Orthodox preachings, that have come in lately(since it doesn't belong here), but I guess they like the ECUMENICAL eliment.

What the hell...let's bring in discussions about the hindu scriptures. Are these the posts that will be developing here?

Holy Bible speaks about the ever-lasting fire and that the souls have no rebirth. Hindu scriptures say that the soul has rebirth. Both these can be convinced and co-related. The condemned souls enter the everlasting fire, which means that these souls take the births as animals, birds, worms etc, which are like the fire due to the continuous agony. The word “everlasting” means that once the soul enters into the cycle of these births the soul will never come back to the human birth. The rebirth as a human being as told in the Hindu scriptures can be again co-related with the Holy Bible.

Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me. (Ps. 50)

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Lord comes in human form to propagate the divine knowledge and to uplift the people. Lord Krishna preached Gita. Adi Sankara preached the divine knowledge by walking all over India 3 times. Lord Jesus propagated the divine knowledge only. Mohd. Prophet also preached divine knowledge. Divine knowledge is the knowledge to identify the lord in human form. His main characteristic is jnana. He does miracles also but not for show.

His preachings will be in line with Vedas and Gita, because He only told them and also depend on the psychology of the people of that time. This knowledge only requires propagation.

The word of Lord alone can induce bliss in you & generate love towards Him. Lord Krishna could only preach Gita. That time also many saints were there. It does mean that Lord can only tell about Himself i.e., He only Knows about Himself. This is actually the identification of Lord.

To achieve the grace of Lord is the goal of life. One can get the grace of the Lord by serving Him when He comes in human form. This service consists of Karma Phala Tyaga (donating money for His mission) and Karma Sanyasa (spending time physically by participating), put together called SERVICE.

Ex: if I see the president of our country, what is the benefit I am going to get out of it? It gives just a momentary happiness. But, if I do something by which I can get his soft corner that helps me in getting some favour from him.

Jnana induces Bhakti. Bhakti is to be proved by service to get the grace of Lord. Rama did not give hanuman any vision. Radha was also not given any divine vision. Hanuman was searching for Rama in the chain given by Sita. He wants to see Lord Rama by open eyes only.

Spiritual effort is completely personal. You have to concentrate on developing your devotion on lord only. It is not the responsibility of saadhaka to correct the society or system. God, as a ruler of this universe, will take care of it. Hence, catch hold of Human Incarnation and serve Him here itself. You can get liberation here itself. Liberation when you are alive.

Swamiji is abode of knowledge and HE is the incarnation of Lord Datta. When Lord gives the knowledge (like Jesus, Krishna, Swami etc.,), there will be clarity in that because HE HIMSELF is very clear unlike human beings.
Swami gave detailed discourses on these topics, like how to identify Satguru (human incarnation), how to get His grace etc. All these can be read from the website (www.universal-spirituality.org). Such knowledge only needs to be practiced and the results will flow automatically.

At the Lotus feet of Datta Swami

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Please we are here to discuss orthodox faith and not Asian elucubration... The subject is orthodoxy not proselytism in favour of other religions...

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