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The DECLARATION of Archbishop Lefebvre
made at Econe, Switzerland on November 21, 1974
APPENDIX I

On November 11, 1974, two apostolic visitors from Rome arrived at the International Seminary of Saint Pius X in Econe. During their brief stay, they spoke to the seminarians and professors, maintaining scandalous opinions such as, the ordination of married men will soon be a normal thing, truth changes with the times, and the traditional conception of the Resurrection of our Lord is open to discussion. These remarks prompted Archbishop Lefebvre to write this famous Declaration as a rebuttal to Modernism.

We hold fast, with all our heart and with all our soul, to Catholic Rome, Guardian of the Catholic faith and of the traditions necessary to preserve this faith, to Eternal Rome, Mistress of wisdom and truth.

We refuse, on the other hand, and have always refused to follow the Rome of neo-Modernist and neo-Protestant tendencies which were clearly evident in the Second Vatican Council and, after the Council, in all the reforms which issued from it.

All these reforms, indeed, have contributed and are still contributing to the destruction of the Church, to the ruin of the priesthood, to the abolition of the Sacrifice of the Mass and of the sacraments, to the disappearance of religious life, to a naturalist and Teilhardian teaching in universities, seminaries and catechectics; a teaching derived from Liberalism and Protestantism, many times condemned by the solemn Magisterium of the Church.

No authority, not even the highest in the hierarchy, can force us to abandon or diminish our Catholic faith, so clearly expressed and professed by the Church’s Magisterium for nineteen centuries.

“But though we,” says Saint Paul, “or an angel from heaven preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema” (Gal. 1:8).

Is it not this that the Holy Father is repeating to us today? And if we can discern a certain contradiction in his words and deeds, as well as in those of the dicasteries, well we choose what was always taught and we turn a deaf ear to the novelties destroying the Church.

It is impossible to modify profoundly the lex orandi without modifying the lex credendi. To the Novus Ordo Missae correspond a new catechism, a new priesthood, new seminaries, a charismatic Pentecostal Church —all things opposed to orthodoxy and the perennial teaching of the Church.

This Reformation, born of Liberalism and Modernism, is poisoned through and through; it derives from heresy and ends in heresy, even if all its acts are not formally heretical. It is therefore impossible for any conscientious and faithful Catholic to espouse this Reformation or to submit to it in any way whatsoever.

The only attitude of faithfulness to the Church and Catholic doctrine, in view of our salvation, is a categorical refusal to accept this Reformation.

That is why, without any spirit of rebellion, bitterness or resentment, we pursue our work of forming priests, with the timeless Magisterium as our guide. We are persuaded that we can render no greater service to the Holy Catholic Church, to the Sovereign Pontiff and to posterity.

That is why we hold fast to all that has been believed and practiced in the faith, morals, liturgy, teaching of the catechism, formation of the priest and institution of the Church, by the Church of all time; to all these things as codified in those books which saw day before the Modernist influence of the Council. This we shall do until such time that the true light of Tradition dissipates the darkness obscuring the sky of Eternal Rome.

By doing this, with the grace of God and the help of the Blessed Virgin Mary, and that of Saint Joseph and Saint Pius X, we are assured of remaining faithful to the Roman Catholic Church and to all the successors of Peter, and of being the fideles dispensatores mysteriorum Domini Nostri Jesu Christi in Spiritu Sancto. Amen.

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So what?

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Well this section is about world orthodoxy!!! This is catholicism!!

Priidite, poklonimsja i pripadem ko Hristu.

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As bad as Traditional Roman Catholicism was the fact remains that since Vatican II it has become a very strange new age sect. A lot of Orthodox seem to be in total ignorance of that fact.

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well, saying truth since 1054 "Roman Catholicism" has becoming in a very strange new age sect.

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Defense Of "novus ordo"?!

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Actually, "novus ordo," yes, did begin as buffoonery embodying abject liberalism, but over time the new Eucharist has begun to develop positively in the latin denomination, eg now there is AN EXPRESSED EPIKLESIS where there hadn't been one for centuries, Byzantine prayers are being incorporated into the Canon, slowly parishes are returning to "communion" in both species, the role of MARRIED deacons is being renewed, etc.--These are all shortcomings of the Tridentine model. I think liturgy is a place the Orthodox could contibute in dialogue with the latins and an Orthodox rite emerge...The position of the sedevacantes is tenuous at best, for it is definitely impossible to be a vatican I "catholic" and term popes you disagree with "antipopes." I think we should be welcoming and generous to them as much as we can, however. All this being said, some of the works of Pope Pius X deserve an Orthodox audience, viz. "On the heresy of modernism," Condemnations of "freemasonry, liberalism & internationalism," etc....
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