Fr. Komarovsky Crowned!!!

[joasia]

The Holy Russian Orthodox Church is that which was preserved by the holy Metropolitans and clergy, saints and laymen of Holy Russia. It continued to be preserved by the holy bishops, clergy, saints and laymen outside of Russia and some who stayed in Russia(who did not bend their knees to Sergei and Stalin's MP).

Stalin's construction of the MP was constructed purely outside the Holy Orthodox Church and therefore does not live under God's Grace of His Holy Church, no matter how much they proclaim to be the Mother Church.

The MP is not the Mother Church...The Holy Church of Holy Russia is. The MP is outside of that. Therefore, to claim that ROCOR should return to the Mother Church is correct, BUT, the Mother Church is NOT the MP. They are an imposter.

Remember the big deal made about the Polish woman who considered herself to be Anastasia? What was she...hmmmm. AN IMPOSTER.

It's that easy. But, people who can't think for themselves will believe anything that the're told. Right?

The MP has blood on their hands by association (or in some cases, directly) with the Bolsheviks, Communist, Soviets...whatever the label may be. Most of the MP hierarchs and clergy are a product of the government influence. They have chosen to take that path and therefore they will have to deal with the consequences; but they are not the servants of God.

I'm told that there are many in the MP, at the level of clergy and laymen who are faithful. For whatever reasons they stay there, they will have to eventually make the decision to break away. Then all, around the world, who have the true faith of Orthodoxy will have to unite. That's the union that I hope for.

The ROCOR bishops are having talks with an imposter...for a union or at least a reasonable relationship? For what? They're talking with the wrong people. The MP are the thieves who stole Russia(not to mention properties of ROCOR). They've proven themselves as thieves and bullies.

But, I have faith in the Russian saints and their prophesies. Holy Russia will rise again, but it won't be under the MP umbrella. It will be a seperate church body of the union of the true Orthodox faithful.

In Christ,

Joanna

[Kollyvas]

Welcome ROCiE!!! It proves more than two parts! LOL! In all actuality, the MP has repented and is the church of Russia, however irregular the circumstances...BTW, post-war MP was much more Traditional than the current ROCOR.
R
Which will you join, MP or OCA?! LOL!

[Kollyvas]

http://www.carm.org/heresy/donatism.htm

Donatism

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  Donatism was the error taught by Donatus, bishop of Casae Nigrae that the effectiveness of the sacraments depends on the moral character of the minister.  In other words, if a minister who was involved in a serious enough sin were to baptize a person, that baptism would be considered invalid.
 Donatism developed as a result of the persecution of Christians ordered by Diocletian in 303 in which all churches and sacred scriptures of the Christians were to be destroyed.  In 304 another edict was issued ordering the burning of incense to the idol gods of the Roman empire.  Of course, Christians refused, but it did not curtail the increased persecution.  Many Christians gave up the sacred texts to the persecutors and even betrayed other Christians to the Romans.  These people became known as "traditors," Christians who betrayed other Christians.  (Note:  traditor, not traitor)
 At the consecration of bishop Caecilian of Carthage in 311, one of the three bishops, Felix, bishop of Aptunga, who consecrated Caecilian, had given copies of the Bible to the Roman persecutors.  A group of about 70 bishops formed a synod and declared the consecration of the bishop to be invalid.  Great debate arose concerning the validity of the sacraments (baptism, the Lord's Supper, etc.) by one who had sinned so greatly against other Christians.  
 Ater the death of Caecilian, Aelius Donatus the Great became bishop of Carthage and it is from his name that the movement is called.  The Donatists were gaining "converts" to their cause and a division was arising in the Catholic church.  They began to practice rebaptism which was particularly troublesome to the church at the time and was condemned at the Synod of Arles in 314 since it basically said the authority in the Catholic church was lost.
 The Donatist issue was raised at several ecumenical councils and finally submitted to Emporer Constantine in 316.  In each case the consecration of bishop Caecilian was upheld.  However, persecution fuels emotions and by 350 the Donatists had gained many converts and outnumbered the Orthodox in Africa.  But it was the apologetic by Augustine that turned the tide against the Donatist movement which eventually died out in the next century.

 The problem with Donatism is that no person is morally pure.  The effectiveness of the baptism or administration of the Lord's supper does not cease to be effective if the moral character of the minister is in question or even demonstrated to be faulty.  Rather, the sacraments are powerful because of what they are, visible representations of spiritual realities.  God is the one who works in and through them and He is not restricted by the moral state of the administrant.

[joasia]

Stalin organised a religious body that was meant to bring the people under control, since he saw that they needed this routine. He wanted to have his hand in their lives, under a religous disguise(but in reality, under the government control), since the brutality of Communism proved to be a failure. How do you get to the people? Through their worship. It's the same think the Frankists did when they infiltrated the West and climbed to the hierarchal positions. They weren't thinking about their service to God...they were thinking about the power they would have over the people. And therefore was borne the papacy. The MP is an imposter of the Orthodox faith and the church that God established on this earth for us to have...a Heaven on earth.

The donatist sinned against the Holy Spirit, because they were claiming that they knew where the Holy Spirit precided: they determined it by the act of the individual man. But, if we say that the religious cults of the U.S., like Jonestown and these other groups that claimed to live by the guidance of God are not with God, then we, as Orthodox can say that we can be pretty accurate about that...but when it comes to something closer to home, then we accuse others of being donatists.

I'm not referring to personal sins. I'm specifying the invention of an organization that takes on the name of the Orthodox Church, but who in the past decades has given ample proof of their non-Orthodox theology....sergeinism, ecumenism, modernism. I don't know about anybody else here, but when I read the writings of Orthodox saints, Russian and Greek...I don't see any of these beliefs in their writings.

In Christ,

Joanna

[Kollyvas]

It was not the position of the Fathers to over-simplify or taint theological/ecclesiological views with politics, definitely...And, that as the basis of some sort of personal ultra-montane standard of grace?!
R

[Jean-Serge]

In all actuality, the MP has repented and is the church of Russia, however irregular the circumstances...

No the True Church of Russia is the Catacumb church who went through 80 years of communism and persecutions. In the 90s, the catacumb church went out of the catacumbs and it was given bishops by the ROCOR... It is astonishinghow ROCOR now forgets all this and consider the so called MP as the only legitimate church in Russia.

The repentance of the MP is not regular. They cannot absolve themselves from their sins... without confession before a legitimate pries (i.e Rocor or Catacumb)

[Cat.Timothy.]

Unfortunately ROCOR is in the process of falling. Books such as "The Religion of the Future" are being re-edited to fit in with the world Orthodox agenda. Go to the Orthodox-Tradition yahoo group, it is really frightening.

When the Lord comes will he find faith on earth?

Kollyvas was St Joseph of Petrograd a schismatic?