AndyHolland wrote:and there is a nation that invented atomic weapons calling it the "trinity" test, blowing up a city on the feast of the Transfiguration, and destroying the largest Church in Southeast Asia two days later along with part of a city.
The origin of the name of the first test of an atomic reaction bomb is somewhat clouded. Oppenheimer was asked if it had to do with the use of "Trinity" as a name for things like mountains and rivers in the West/Southwest so it wouldn't attract attention. He wrote:
""I did suggest it, but not on that ground... Why I chose the name is not clear, but I know what thoughts were in my mind. There is a poem of John Donne, written just before his death, which I know and love. From it a quotation: 'As West and East / In all flatt Maps—and I am one—are on, / So death doth touch the Resurrection.'" ("Hymn to God My God, in My Sicknesses"). Oppenheimer continued, "That still does not make a Trinity, but in another, better known devotional poem Donne opens, 'Batter my heart, three person'd God;—.' Beyond this, I have no clues whatever." (Holy Sonnets XIV)."
http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Trinity_test
Are you referring to Nagasaki, Japan as having the "largest Church in Southeast Asia"? Japan is not in southeast Asia but is in the northwest corner (as it were) of the Pacific Ocean which is "East Asia". I'm sorry if there is a misunderstanding, but SouthEast Asia is where such countrires as Myanmar, Viet Nam and Malaysia (amoung others) are. Nagasaki was the sight of Urakami Cathedral, an RC church, which was the largest Christian building in East Asia at that time.
I should not have presumed they were smart enough to know the meaning of the flag in a historic context with the Bible. OTOH, I think it highly likely given the extensive biblical education at the time. They were thumbing their nose at Divine Right after all.
That is your opinion. But not necessarily actually what the designers were doing or thinking of. Symbols can have meaning outside of any Biblical ones. I have provided a link to show what the people then said they meant by it.
Why wouldn't the people then not have been "smart enough" btw?
Ebor
AndyHolland wrote:CGW wrote:But that simply isn't what the passage intended, nor what the rest of the constitution provides for, nor what judicial review has established. The constitution has one nature, and federal law has a distinct and subordinate nature, and treaties have their own distinct and subordinate nature.
How do you presume what is intended? It seems like clear English to me but maybe I am too dumb to understand.
I don't know about dumb; what I do know is that you're reading the first part in isolation from the second part and from the rest of the constitution. The part you emphasized doesn't say exactly what you claimed; your claim was an inference. But when you put the whole sentence together, the important property in the first part is supremacy, and the important consequence is how the constitution, treaties, and federal law override the laws of the individual states. Conversely, other parts of the constitution establish that the constitution, treaties, and federal law have otehr properties in which they differ.
You have that much time on your hands? Call the national archives and prove your right and you can crow about it.
I have a high-speed connection; it was the work of a few minutes to pull up the images. I am loathe to call up the archives in part because I anticipate that you will come up with some way to wiggle out of an answer which is adverse to your cause.
I looked at it, and my thought was, So what? You can apply this to any kind of unification or unity, including that of the church. I asked you for an alternative before, and never got a reply.
Out of many one pertaining to a people united outside of God.
Ah, but that phrase "outside God" comes from you, not from the motto. Is any current nation "inside God"? I would say, No. In fact, except for ancient Israel I would answer No.
Consider also Novus Ordo Seclorum with E'Pluribus Unum. New World Order or New order of the ages. In other words, Babylon. Even Saddam Hussien knows that; recall his crazy speech before "the mother of all battles", around the time of elder Bush's NWO speech? The imagery was very interesting.
No, I do not recall it, nor do I recall G.H.W.Bush's speech either. And Charles Thomson is on record as explaining what he meant in choosing the words he did, so it isn't as though you don't have an authoritative source for understanding them, a source which disagrees with your spin on them.
Separation of Church and State is certainly not supported by Holy Scripture and is a post schism Western heresy - IMHO of course.
I am not going to get into the whole issue of separation of church and state. I will deny, vehemently, that any other arrangement is any less sinful.
Read the Scripture with the Church Fathers and the Church so that many councelors provide safety. Don't believe the World, believe Christ who the world rejects.
OK, painful comment time:
You are of the World.
And so am I. You and I take the words of Christ, and what we see in the world, and when we put them together, what do we get? Not just Christ, but our own pride, and our own errors, and and our own delusions, and those of everyone else to whom we refer. And thus, to some greater or lesser degree, we set Christ aside and put our own world in His place.
Well, you are correct. I should not have presumed they were smart enough to know the meaning of the flag in a historic context with the Bible. OTOH, I think it highly likely given the extensive biblical education at the time. They were thumbing their nose at Divine Right after all.
Genesis is not the historical context of the rattlesnake flag; the American rebellion is. That's precisely why we are objecting to you interpreting the flag entirely out of context.
As for medicine's snake, it is from a pagan god and the "god's of the pagans are demons" according to David.
And therefore your doctor is a demon-worshipper?
The snake lifted up by Moses is a different symbol.
Well, as soon as you say that, I say, "yes, and they're all different symbols, and that's exacty what's wrong with you trying to merge them together, and selectively at that!"
What I'm seeing is that you have a fixed thesis, and that everything gets distorted by your allegiance to that thesis. And that thesis isn't Christ; it's you. All of these connections come from you. It's not up to you to assign meanings to the acts of others; it is up to them, especially when we have records of what meanings they intended.
The Congressman's WARNING better be taken SERIOUSLY!! http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/ma ... chment.htm
I Told You F.B.I. Knew Took Video's To Hide What Really Hit The Pentagon, notice that even this report "Confirms" the other report that the F.B.I. was at the Gas station "minutes after the Pentagon hit." http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20060301/ ... eb352979_1
I have a high-speed connection; it was the work of a few minutes to pull up the images. I am loathe to call up the archives in part because I anticipate that you will come up with some way to wiggle out of an answer which is adverse to your cause.
What is your cause?
Ah, but that phrase "outside God" comes from you, not from the motto. Is any current nation "inside God"? I would say, No. In fact, except for ancient Israel I would answer No.
You know very well the nation is secular.
Consider also Novus Ordo Seclorum with E'Pluribus Unum. New World Order or New order of the ages. In other words, Babylon. Even Saddam Hussien knows that; recall his crazy speech before "the mother of all battles", around the time of elder Bush's NWO speech? The imagery was very interesting.
No, I do not recall it, nor do I recall G.H.W.Bush's speech either. And Charles Thomson is on record as explaining what he meant in choosing the words he did, so it isn't as though you don't have an authoritative source for understanding them, a source which disagrees with your spin on them.
Not so but irrelevant anyway.
Separation of Church and State is certainly not supported by Holy Scripture and is a post schism Western heresy - IMHO of course.
I am not going to get into the whole issue of separation of church and state. I will deny, vehemently, that any other arrangement is any less sinful.
Those who hate Zion are accursed.
Read the Scripture with the Church Fathers and the Church so that many councelors provide safety. Don't believe the World, believe Christ who the world rejects.
OK, painful comment time:
You are of the World.
And so am I. You and I take the words of Christ, and what we see in the world, and when we put them together, what do we get? Not just Christ, but our own pride, and our own errors, and and our own delusions, and those of everyone else to whom we refer. And thus, to some greater or lesser degree, we set Christ aside and put our own world in His place.
You are of the world, you do not speak for me.
Well, you are correct. I should not have presumed they were smart enough to know the meaning of the flag in a historic context with the Bible. OTOH, I think it highly likely given the extensive biblical education at the time. They were thumbing their nose at Divine Right after all.
Genesis is not the historical context of the rattlesnake flag; the American rebellion is. That's precisely why we are objecting to you interpreting the flag entirely out of context.
Bunk. You know what the Lord said to the snake as did the makers of the flag.
As for medicine's snake, it is from a pagan god and the "god's of the pagans are demons" according to David.
And therefore your doctor is a demon-worshipper?
Some of them are - particularly evolutionists, abortionists and 'those whose faith is in princes and sons of men in whom there is no salvation....'
The snake lifted up by Moses is a different symbol.
Well, as soon as you say that, I say, "yes, and they're all different symbols, and that's exacty what's wrong with you trying to merge them together, and selectively at that!"
The context of symbols in an equation are determined by the equation. A snake used in rebellion refers to the first cause rebellious snake. The snake lifted up by Moses refers to the man who was no man but the Word and a worm for our sake (See Psalm 22 and read Jonas). Also, when a snake's head is crushed it becomes as a worm - Jesus opened not his mouth as he was to be lifted up.
Jesus trampled down death by death and by silence, transformed the snake of death into a worm who ate away the world so that the Holy heat and strong East wind (see Jonas) was upon the prophets head.
This marks the birth of the Church - Pentecost, because if Jesus had not done so, the Spirit would not have come (read the Gospels again and again). Go through the symbols in detail, and you will see they are perfect and very deep. So too, history unfolds as prophecy proclaims - even symbolically.
What I'm seeing is that you have a fixed thesis, and that everything gets distorted by your allegiance to that thesis. And that thesis isn't Christ; it's you. All of these connections come from you. It's not up to you to assign meanings to the acts of others; it is up to them, especially when we have records of what meanings they intended.
Judge a tree by its fruits. Intent is impossible for any mortal to know. It is easier to raise the dead than know a man's heart.
My fixed thesis is Jesus Christ is Lord of all. A denial of part of the incarnation is a denial of the totality of the incarnation and of the totality of the Lordship of Christ. Friendship with the world is enmity with God.
Those institutions that attempt to divorce themselves from Christ our true God and establish secularism eventually become religions in of themselves. They become tyranical and murderous and by their fruits they are known. The symbols associated with them arise from their deviation with the especially good nature God created and are outward and visible signs of inward, unhealthy, negative processes.
Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad. Jesus called on us to be perfect, even as the Father in Heaven is perfect.
Secularism is coming to a dead end, and will be destroyed by its own sorcery - 'the fundamental power of the universe has been delivered into our hands' as Harry Truman put it. This began when Martin Luther arrogated to himself the priesthood, and the inevitable consequence of that rebellion and logic of rebellious thought processes has inevitably led to what was foretold in Holy Scripture. Those who hated Zion blew up a city on the feast of the Transfiguration, and one two days later on the largest Roman Cathedral in Southeast Asia. Protestant revenge was complete, now the nation turned full bore to secularism.
America is a nation arising from the sea, calling fire down from heaven, destroying the innocent without mercy. Its modern culture is of sex, drugs, and rock'n roll - whoredom, drunkness and lewdness are plain for all to see.
You might rightly see other nations have followed the same paths - certainly those who have followed secularism have. Perhaps they are in total the Eagle with the especial head that will be destroyed by fire. Of course, we could all repent and let the fire of the Love of God transform this Ninivah in which we live - but separation of Church and State, of Jesus and State, has to go.
All things have occurred in accordance with Holy Scripture as prophesied without deviation or error, because Holy Scripture is inerrant.
The time is short, we must repent.
andy holland
sinner
