AndyHolland wrote:What is your cause?
My cause is nothing more or less than to call you and other misrepresenters of the truth to account, and to make sure that everyone is aware that the worldly truths you promulgate in the name of Christ are not in fact true.
You know very well the nation is secular.
What I said, very plainly, is that nations are secular. Your thesis seems to be that the USA is especially accursed by virtue of its origins. I don't agree, because if the USA is of the world, so is every other existing nation.
Charles Thomson is on record as explaining what he meant in choosing the words he did, so it isn't as though you don't have an authoritative source for understanding them, a source which disagrees with your spin on them.
Not so but irrelevant anyway.
You claimed that the Great Seal represents the masonic origins of the USA. I've presented plenty of evidence that this is not so, that the words have specific meanings, meanings stated by the designer of the seal. You've presented, essentially, nothing, and you've now been reduced to simply repeating your claims without justification. You have no authority to impose a meaning on the symbols, and neither does anyone else.
It's not irrelevant. All evidence shows that you and the other conspiracy-mongers have projected a false meaning upon the various symbols we have discussed. It's one thing to talk about signs and portents, but you have to get them right.
I am not going to get into the whole issue of separation of church and state. I will deny, vehemently, that any other arrangement is any less sinful.
Those who hate Zion are accursed.
Who hates Zion?
You are of the World.
And so am I. You and I take the words of Christ, and what we see in the world, and when we put them together, what do we get? Not just Christ, but our own pride, and our own errors, and and our own delusions, and those of everyone else to whom we refer. And thus, to some greater or lesser degree, we set Christ aside and put our own world in His place.
You are of the world, you do not speak for me.
In this case, I do. You do not possess some spiritual power which frees you, here and now, from the worldly consequences of your sins and frailties. You are fallible, and you do sin. Putting "sinner" at the end of your posts doesn't fix things; it should be an admission that what you say is likely flawed, but what I read instead are ritual words which the body of your posts belie.
The scriptures say to test the words of the prophets. I put you to the test here, and you fail. Why don't you repent of posting these things? Turn away from them, and consider your own salvation. The nation is impossible of salvation, so turn your mind to other things.
Genesis is not the historical context of the rattlesnake flag; the American rebellion is. That's precisely why we are objecting to you interpreting the flag entirely out of context.
Bunk. You know what the Lord said to the snake as did the makers of the flag.
It is not for you to presume to know what the designers of the flag had in mind, beyond what they have told you. The symbolism of an American snake, a snake that gives warning before it strikes, is clear. If you want to invoke divine right of kings, well, maybe. It should be clear I don't believe in that. But to claim that they meant to refer to the story of Genesis is just your words, not theirs.
As for medicine's snake, it is from a pagan god and the "god's of the pagans are demons" according to David.
And therefore your doctor is a demon-worshipper?
Some of them are - particularly evolutionists, abortionists and 'those whose faith is in princes and sons of men in whom there is no salvation....'
No, I mean your doctor-- ALL doctors.
The snake lifted up by Moses is a different symbol.
Well, as soon as you say that, I say, "yes, and they're all different symbols, and that's exacty what's wrong with you trying to merge them together, and selectively at that!"
The context of symbols in an equation are determined by the equation. A snake used in rebellion refers to the first cause rebellious snake. The snake lifted up by Moses refers to the man who was no man but the Word and a worm for our sake (See Psalm 22).
That's what you say, but I don't recognize your authority to interpret scripture for me.
What I'm seeing is that you have a fixed thesis, and that everything gets distorted by your allegiance to that thesis. And that thesis isn't Christ; it's you. All of these connections come from you. It's not up to you to assign meanings to the acts of others; it is up to them, especially when we have records of what meanings they intended.
Judge a tree by its fruits.
Well, what are your fruits? Misinformation, and a sense of undirected hysteria.
My fixed thesis is Jesus Christ is Lord of all. A denial of part of the incarnation is a denial of the totality of the incarnation and of the totality of the Lordship of Christ. Friendship with the world is enmity with God.
This is just a bunch of platitudes; I can come up with almost anything from them.
Those institutions that attempt to divorce themselves from Christ our true God and establish secularism eventually become religions in of themselves. They become tyranical and murderous and by their fruits they are known. The symbols associated with them arise from their deviation with the especially good nature God created and are outward and visible signs of inward, unhealthy, negative processes.
You are wrong.
Tyranny comes of people-- sinful people. It is not limited to the avowedly secular, nor the pagan, nor the irreligious. Your words here are self-righteous.
The time is short, we must repent.
Repent of what? Your citizenship?
You've declared the United States doomed from the start, without any possibility of salvation.