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CGW · Post by **CGW** » Tue 14 March 2006 2:16 pm

Snopes's page on the "no 757 at the Pentagon" myth

AndyHolland · Post by **AndyHolland** » Tue 14 March 2006 4:03 pm

According to St. Irenaus, "Blessed is the man who hath not walked in the counsel of the ungodly: this is, the counsel of the nations which know not God: for those are ungodly who worship not the God that truly is."

The US being a secular nation is ungodly and doomed.

Consider the Oklahoma city bombing. Years earlier the Oklahoma Governor's brother wrote a fictional book about a Tim McVey (different spelling) blowing up a Federal building and getting pulled over by the State police!

Of course, no one could have scripted that but the evil one himself.

There will be a day when all will be made clear. We should just trust Jesus Christ and not get worried - but we should also be prepared to move when the time comes. If we trust the US, in Princes and sons of men in whom there is no salvation, our hope is in vain.

andy holland
sinner

CGW · Post by **CGW** » Tue 14 March 2006 4:47 pm

It was published the year after the bombing, actually.

AndyHolland · Post by **AndyHolland** » Tue 14 March 2006 4:50 pm

CGW - but it was written well before:

"Governor Frank Keating's brother, Martin Keating, wrote a manuscript in 1991, roughly four years before the OKC bombing. Gov. Frank Keating is a former FBI hot shot. His brother, Martin could not get this work published until after the bombing. This manuscript, now a published book, is titled The Final Jihad. In this book, Keating lays out a story of terrorists, based in OKC, who decide to bomb a federal building. Guess what the name of the one of the key "terrorists" in the book is? Tom McVey. And for the kicker of this fictional work: The terrorists in The Final Jihad are stopped by an Oklahoma highway patrolman for a broken tail light."

http://www.dccsa.com/greatjoy/okc3.htm

Many sources for this information. It was widely known when the bombing occurred. I heard of it right after the bombing.

andy holland
sinner

CGW · Post by **CGW** » Tue 14 March 2006 5:17 pm

With Govermental Documents in plain site telling you their building these sites for the "CIVILIAN POPULATION" how can you read it and say, "It's a bunch of Crook" this exlains why you don't relise, it's not just "Bush jr." it's all the Presidents and Senators/House Reprsentatives/ Supriem Court Justices that sat there scince 1913 and allow all these UN-Constitutional Laws to be passed, so it's not an "Icolated Incident" but a "Continuing Conspirousy" which has the NEW WORLD ORDER" as it's FINAL PLAN.

Well, my medication at least is working perfectly.

But anyway, life is too short to read every last one of these supposed documents. The ones I did bother to read clearly referred to camps for people who were already in prison for perfectly good and legal reasons, and who were being assigned to work details at various government facilities. Here in this state we see state prisoners out picking up roadside trash.

There's enough in this world to worry about without taking seriously the alarums of every overheated fellow with access to a copier or a website. It's a little amusing to look at the tripe these guys put out, and maybe worth a tiny effort as a public service to expose them as the false prophets which they are. If you feel the need to worry about what the government is doing, there are plenty of things that it is actually doing, that you can read about in the newspaper even, which you could worry about. But concentration camps? Baseless hysteria.

Ebor · Post by **Ebor** » Tue 14 March 2006 6:22 pm

AndyHolland wrote:
Why do you assume violence from a bully if you are not pejorative?

Perhaps you were fortunate not to have any experience with bullies so you don't know that they don't need any cause or excuse to harass or threaten or abuse others. It can be something as little as being different (not the same colour, race, nationality, religion, gender, fat, skinny, smarter or not as intelligent), or smaller, or having glasses or not agreeing/going along with that person's likes or dislikes.

The scenario described (big, strong, trained fighter who knows where we live) is one of threat, of "Don't upset me or I'll find you and hurt you." it is one of being afraid, not one that is based on courtesy (and people can disagree with other posters without "perjoratives". It is not required that everyone agree in some matters or where mistakes have been made.)

The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. How can you fear God whom you don't see, if you do not fear man whom you do see?

I'm curious. May I ask why you put together the passage from Psalm 111:10 about the fear of God with a paraphrase or reworking of 1 John 4: 20?

"20. If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

Why would fearing Almighty God the Maker of the Universe be predicated on being afraid of another human?

Regarding fearing man whom we do see I could respond with another actual passage of Scripture from 2 Timothy 1:7
" For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind."

Ebor

AndyHolland · Post by **AndyHolland** » Wed 15 March 2006 10:57 am

Ebor,

The phrase was not a quote, but rather logic based on the Bible. One can be rude when hiding behind an alias and an internet. Normally, people speak with far more respect to one another.

We should fear God and man.

I have encountered a number of pejorative comments that I really doubt the authors would have the intestinal fortitude to say to my face. I am 6' 1", 235 and weight lift for a hobby but I wouldn't harm a fly (really, I encourage folks to open the windows and let them out - they are creatures).

So if you want to beat me up rhetorically, go ahead and get out all your pent up aggression against "bullies." I'll picture you as larger and tough - so as to modify my words.

andy holland
sinner