Iconophili's Great Big Thread of Conspiracies!

[AndyHolland]

Pike was also a Grand Dragon of the KKK - certainly not a nice guy.

They have done a great deal of damage to this nation over the years and have harmed allot of innocent people. Evil is overcome by good and Love conquers all.

andy holland
sinner

[CGW]

Pike was also a Grand Dragon of the KKK - certainly not a nice guy.

This seems to be a point of dispute. Most of the discussions I found seemed to think that this was not so.

[AndyHolland]

He stated his god was Lucifer in his book so what is found below is not suprising.

I think the KKK Case is made very well here:

http://freemasonrywatch.org/albertpikeandkkk.html

You have to go through some hype to get to the reference below:

It was in 1905 that the Neale Publishing Company, New York and Washington, published Ku Klux Klan: Its Origin, Growth and Disbandment, written and edited by Walter L. Fleming, incorporating earlier published material by J.C. Lester and D.L. Wilson. Historian Walter Fleming's introduction to this 1905 book explains that he has been given "information in regard to Ku Klux Klan, by many former members of the order, and by their friends and relatives." Dr. Fleming states that "General Albert Pike, who stood high in the Masonic order, was the chief judicial officer of the Klan." On a page of illustrations of important founders of the KKK, Dr. Fleming places General Pike's portrait in the center, makes it larger than the six others on the page, and repeats this information as a caption: "General Albert Pike, chief judicial officer". Dr. Fleming attaches as an appendix to his book, a KKK "prescript" or secret constitution which had then recently been discovered. This document sets forth the regulations of the Klan's "judiciary"' department, over which Albert Pike ruled. This is the internal disciplinary or counterintelligence department. It also corresponds to Pike and the Klan's influence over the regular court system and the legal profession in the post-civil War southern states.

Also consider:

As owner-publisher of the Memphis, Tennessee, Daily Appeal, Albert Pike wrote in an editorial on April 16, 1868:

"With negroes for witnesses and jurors, the administration of justice becomes a blasphemous mockery. A Loyal League of negroes can cause any white man to be arrested, and can prove any charges it chooses to have made against him. ...The disenfranchised people of the South ... can find no protection for property, liberty or life, except in secret association.... We would unite every white man in the South, who is opposed to negro suffrage, into one great Order of Southern Brotherhood, with an organization complete, active, vigorous, in which a few should execute the concentrated will of all, and whose very existence should be concealed from all but its members."
(A copy of that issue of Pike's paper may be viewed at the Library of Congress, as may the books mentioned in this article.)

He was not a nice guy (maybe he repented later?), and the poor Masons are demon worshippers.

andy holland
sinner

[CGW]

FreeMasonryWatch is where we get the gloriously bogus George Washington converted to Catholicsm story, so I'm disinclined to trust them as a source.

[AndyHolland]

Actually, the Freemasons themselves basically admit the points, and their counters are very weak.

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/kkk.html

On the newpaper opinion, it is authentic - the Freemason response is:

That Pike reflected the prejudices of his time and place does not prove that he belonged to the KKK or was a leader. This call for action appeared in a public newspaper during an election year while the Union League of America, or "Lincoln's Legal Loyal League," was promoting negro suffrage, disenfranchisement of Confederates and the repudiation of state rights. Without the full, unexpurgated text, it is not possible to know if this quote is an accurate reflection of Pike's intended meaning. Walter Lee Brown, as noted below, interpreted the full editorial as a criticism of the Klan.

So are the Freemasons attacking those who called for negro suffrage and the 13th and 14th Amendments? What a way to twist things - to take the Southern line against suffrage even today! Truly, 'Rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft....'

After the Civil War, a black man came to the Communion Rail first in an Episcopal Church. Former General R.E. Lee was the first to kneel beside him. Some people saw the true light and looked to repentance, others saw their Lucifer and continued their struggle for dominance and power.

It was not until Dr. Walter L. Fleming republished Lester's booklet in 1905 that a list of names of key Klansmen was included in a preface. In 1924, Ms. Susan L. Davis published her Authentic History, in which she contradicts a number of points made by Lester, denigrates Fleming for his superficial knowledge of the Klan and condemns Lester's co-author, David L. Wilson, for suggesting the Klan had failed.

That is a very weak counter. They do not say that the number of points denigrated included membership. I would suspect a book written in 1905 would be far more accurate based on testimony from former members than one written in 1924.

According to another website, which is admittedly rather wacky in some respects, Davis book is reported as pro-klan as the above statement strongly indicates, and she confirmed the membership of Pike!

So why is the Freemason website so weak in its reply? Its hard to prove people were not involved in the Klan, but given the newspaper opinion piece wording and the fact the guy was a Civil War General with a rather dubious record the probability that Pike was in the KKK is extremely high. *

andy holland
sinner

• My argument is not that the Freemasons were consciously pro-KKK in the South, but rather, they were/are rather wacky and partake of satanic practices (albeit mostly unknowing). Evil begets evil.**

** Eric Rudolf for example did far more to destroy the pro-life movement, even though he was supposedly pro-life. The devil is crazy like a fox, which is why we always must avoid pride and fight evil with good.

[ICONOPHILI]

These scientists are seeing the truth can you now see that 9/11 was inside job or do you think they also are NUTS? http://physics911.net/spine.htm

[AndyHolland]

Trust Jesus Christ, trust the Church, and put not your trust in princes or in sons of men, in whom there is no salvation.....

They are nuts - yes.

It makes no common sense. Consider the cell phone calls. One can in fact use cell phones (and the planes own phones) to make calls when the plane is at a low enough altitude and is over a heavy cell phone tower area.

Or take the fact they hit in broad daylight.

Or that tens of thousands of people saw the planes hit in DC and in NY, and I personally know people who saw the fireball here in Shanksville.

Add to the fact Usama bragged about it.

Add to the fact that anyone who knows anything about real building demolition will point out the reason buildings fall straight down is because they have to - it requires too much force to topple a building laterally that has a 280 foot on a side base. etc, etc, etc, etc....

There is a sucker born every minute - don't be one.

andy holland
sinner