Iconophili's Great Big Thread of Conspiracies!

[ICONOPHILI]

Trust Jesus Christ, trust the Church, and put not your trust in princes or in sons of men, in whom there is no salvation.....

They are nuts - yes.

It makes no common sense. Consider the cell phone calls. One can in fact use cell phones (and the planes own phones) to make calls when the plane is at a low enough altitude and is over a heavy cell phone tower area.

Or take the fact they hit in broad daylight.

Or that tens of thousands of people saw the planes hit in DC and in NY, and I personally know people who saw the fireball here in Shanksville.

Add to the fact Usama bragged about it.

Add to the fact that anyone who knows anything about real building demolition will point out the reason buildings fall straight down is because they have to - it requires too much force to topple a building laterally that has a 280 foot on a side base. etc, etc, etc, etc....

There is a sucker born every minute - don't be one.

andy holland
sinner

TENS of thousands of people did NOT see the plane hit in DC your assuming that, post where you got that info that 10's of thousands saw DC hit?, 2. Ben Laden is a CIA employie he'll say what they tell him, You claim " Add to the fact that anyone who knows anything about real building demolition will point out the reason buildings fall straight down is because they have to - it requires too much force to topple a building laterally that has a 280 foot on a side base. etc, etc, etc, etc...." The problem with what your saying is that REAL SCIENTISTS ( http://physics911.net/spine.htm ) ARE the ones REFUTING what the "Official report" is saying, so what are you going to say now these are NOT scientists?? CELL PHONE calls can be made from LOW Alt but not HIGHT ALT the Cell phone calls according to the Gov where made WAY before they were in N.Y. which they were still in HIGHT ALT 25,000-30,000 feet, another thing, THINK for a moment, these guys according to the government didn't know how to fly, so how did they 1. Turn the planes around hundreds of miles away from N.Y.C. and go back and find N.Y.C. then fly over 20,000 Skyscrapers and some how some way managed to find the World Trade Centers and fly into them, did you stop and think about that, what type of FANTASTIC TALE the Gov wants us to believe, come now think about it and give me your answer, YOU realy believe it's possible for people who don't know who to fly 757's to find NYC and the look over 20,000 Buildings and spot TWC and fly into them.

[CGW]

These scientists are seeing the truth can you now see that 9/11 was inside job or do you think they also are NUTS? http://physics911.net/spine.htm

No, I think they are faked.

At least, I think "A.K.Dewdney" is a fake. It happens that I know who the real Dewdney is: he took over the "Mathematical Games" column from Martin Gardner (at which point it metamorphized into "Metamagical Themas"), and he has published a number of books (among which is The Planiverse).

This is his real website, and it makes no mention of his membership on this "committee", even though practically every detail of his public life is listed in his C.V. I've also looked at a couple of the articles he supposedly wrote, and they bear no resemblance to his authentic writings. Indeed, they seem to follow the standard style of conspiracy sites, and they reuse many of the graphics (e.g. the picture of the 757 superimposed on the Pentagon). At any rate, he is a mathematician, and plainly no more qualified than I am to express an opinion on the matters of which he supposedly writes. But I don't think he wrote those articles.

[ICONOPHILI]

These scientists are seeing the truth can you now see that 9/11 was inside job or do you think they also are NUTS? http://physics911.net/spine.htm

No, I think they are faked.

At least, I think "A.K.Dewdney" is a fake. It happens that I know who the real Dewdney is: he took over the "Mathematical Games" column from Martin Gardner (at which point it metamorphized into "Metamagical Themas"), and he has published a number of books (among which is The Planiverse).

This is his real website, and it makes no mention of his membership on this "committee", even though practically every detail of his public life is listed in his C.V. I've also looked at a couple of the articles he supposedly wrote, and they bear no resemblance to his authentic writings. Indeed, they seem to follow the standard style of conspiracy sites, and they reuse many of the graphics (e.g. the picture of the 757 superimposed on the Pentagon). At any rate, he is a mathematician, and plainly no more qualified than I am to express an opinion on the matters of which he supposedly writes. But I don't think he wrote those articles.

You didn't notice both the site you gave and I gave show the same e-mail site so it is the same person.

[AndyHolland]

I am a real engineer. I hold a patent on a computer language compiler used to automatically design and perform the safety analysis on Pressurized Water Nuclear Reactor cores - and I believe they are nut cases or frauds.

Skyscraper engineers were not suprised the buildings collapsed because of the total heat (not intensity but total energy) of the fires. They are not designed to withstand several floor simultaneously burning. They can take sections burning at a time for several floors, but when an entire floor goes up and all the steel is weakened, it collapses.

It collapses downward because the base is too wide for it to topple over.

It collapses quickly because the DYNAMIC force of collapse and momentum of falling floors is huge compared to the capability of the steel below.

Debris and fire balls are seen as it collapses because the air in the floors that are collapsing are compressed outward - they have no place to go.

Structures explode outward due to the high forces exerted on them, which means they are propelled outward, upward, downward, laterally exploding mechanically (collapse a toothpick bridge with excess weight - and be sure to use safety googles).

Yes - Usama was once on the CIA payroll and the CIA is a bunch of screw ups. So what. The devil uses useful idiots for his cause - don't be one.

Plenty of people saw the plane flying low over the DC area. This idea of a cruise missile in broad daylight and pretending it to be a plane is so patently stupid, it stretches credulity that anyone would believe it.

Also, people don't generally shoot at themselves unless it is by accident. Why would the US government attack itself, then go into Afghanistan which was a historic death trap for the Greeks, Russians, British, Soviets etc....

When you repeat these idiotic assertions that stretch credulity and reality, you do real harm to real people.

andy holland
sinner

[CGW]

OK, I admit I missed that. I would still maintain that he isn't particularly qualified to express opinions about engineering.

[CGW]

Oh, and about the "cruise missile" statement attributed to Mike Walter on many conspiracy sites: What he actually said was that "an American Airlines jet" flew into the Pentagon like a cruise missile. You can read the correct quote here.

[Ebor]

Or that tens of thousands of people saw the planes hit in DC and in NY, and I personally know people who saw the fireball here in Shanksville.

TENS of thousands of people did NOT see the plane hit in DC your assuming that, post where you got that info that 10's of thousands saw DC hit?,

Perhaps English is not your first language. Mr. Holland's sentence says that tens of thousands of people combined that is to say the total adding both the New York/New Jersey area and the Washington DC/ Northern Virginia area saw the planes hit. The use of "and" is clear.

Turn the planes around hundreds of miles away from N.Y.C. and go back and find N.Y.C. then fly over 20,000 Skyscrapers and some how some way managed to find the World Trade Centers and fly into them.........to find NYC and the look over 20,000 Buildings and spot TWC and fly into them.

Perhaps you have never visited the Eastern Coast of the US. It has many distuguishing features that are easily recognized from maps or air photography. Why would it be hard to find New York City?

As to flying over 20,000 buildings looking for the WTC, it would seem you lack any experience of the New York City skyline. The WTC was sometimes described as "The Box the Empire State Building came in" (that's a joke fyi and the Empire State Building is quite visible sticking out of the other buildings). As the 2 tallest structures for hundreds of miles (Sears Tower in Chicago was taller and is still the tallest building in the US) and their position at the southern end of Manhatten was such that they were visible from New Jersey, Long Island and Staten Island, it was certainly not like the proverbial needle in a haystack.

Do you really think that you are convincing people or swaying them to your ahem "cause"? Oh yes, you still haven't told me which definition of "heathen" I am for giving documented information: heath dweller; not believing in the God of Christianity or a follower of norse pagan religions?

Or you could be trying to amuse youself by seeing if you can get anyone here 'wound up' or believing this sillyness. After over 55 pages combined, you might have realized that it's not working that way, neither are you winning converts to your dubious cause. Or maybe you haven't realized that. Oh dear

Ebor