btw, Mr. Holland. You and I may disagree on some things. But I want to thank you for the links to the "Popular Mechanics" pages. Very clear, interesting and well done. It's interesting how they talk to people cited by the conspiracy supporters and find out what they really said and how the groups touted by Mr/Ms. Iconophili are misquoting and taking things out of context. Not surprising. Why bother with the truth when it doesn't support your conspiracies?
Ebor
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AndyHolland wrote:I am a real engineer. I hold a patent on a computer language compiler used to automatically design and perform the safety analysis on Pressurized Water Nuclear Reactor cores - and I believe they are nut cases or frauds.
Skyscraper engineers were not suprised the buildings collapsed because of the total heat (not intensity but total energy) of the fires. They are not designed to withstand several floor simultaneously burning. They can take sections burning at a time for several floors, but when an entire floor goes up and all the steel is weakened, it collapses.
It collapses downward because the base is too wide for it to topple over.
It collapses quickly because the DYNAMIC force of collapse and momentum of falling floors is huge compared to the capability of the steel below.
Debris and fire balls are seen as it collapses because the air in the floors that are collapsing are compressed outward - they have no place to go.
Structures explode outward due to the high forces exerted on them, which means they are propelled outward, upward, downward, laterally exploding mechanically (collapse a toothpick bridge with excess weight - and be sure to use safety googles).
Yes - Usama was once on the CIA payroll and the CIA is a bunch of screw ups. So what. The devil uses useful idiots for his cause - don't be one.
Plenty of people saw the plane flying low over the DC area. This idea of a cruise missile in broad daylight and pretending it to be a plane is so patently stupid, it stretches credulity that anyone would believe it.
Also, people don't generally shoot at themselves unless it is by accident. Why would the US government attack itself, then go into Afghanistan which was a historic death trap for the Greeks, Russians, British, Soviets etc....
When you repeat these idiotic assertions that stretch credulity and reality, you do real harm to real people.
andy holland
sinner
1. Jet fuel burnns off after around 850 Degrees, steel melts at 2200 Degrees, according to the government the fire foams fell from the building when the planes hit., This is a major Lie the gov needs people to believe inorder to explain away why the building collapsed, THAT IS the governments answer too, if you don't believe me read the 9.11 commision report. BTW you said 10's of Thousands saw the planes hit the Pentagon, I knew you were exageration, now you changed you saying to "Plenty of people" insted of 10's of thousands, :mrgreen: Look at the Constitution man, we'retwo steps away from a New World Order thats why we attacked ourselves to get this FAKE war onTerrorist going, wake up before it's too late, BTW very soon the Gov will blow up a Nuke in a major City and blame Iran and thats how there going to get the war with Iran started.
CGW wrote:OK, I admit I missed that. I would still maintain that he isn't particularly qualified to express opinions about engineering.
HAHAHA! YOUR DE-BUNKED HAHAHAHA MMAAAANNNN!!!! HAHAHAHA I just showd you where wrong that, that IS the same person and now you change your opinoin about him, this clearly shows you don't believe in these proofs, NOT because there is no proof, but because you can't FATHOM Understand how conspirousies can happen with out people knowing it.
CGW wrote:Oh, and about the "cruise missile" statement attributed to Mike Walter on many conspiracy sites: What he actually said was that "an American Airlines jet" flew into the Pentagon like a cruise missile. You can read the correct quote here.
AND his statement doesn't proove the hundreds of other people's statements that it was some sort of CruiseMissile were wrong.
Ebor wrote:ICONOPHILI wrote:AndyHolland wrote:Or that tens of thousands of people saw the planes hit in DC and in NY, and I personally know people who saw the fireball here in Shanksville.
TENS of thousands of people did NOT see the plane hit in DC your assuming that, post where you got that info that 10's of thousands saw DC hit?,
Perhaps English is not your first language. Mr. Holland's sentence says that tens of thousands of people combined that is to say the total adding both the New York/New Jersey area and the Washington DC/ Northern Virginia area saw the planes hit. The use of "and" is clear.
Turn the planes around hundreds of miles away from N.Y.C. and go back and find N.Y.C. then fly over 20,000 Skyscrapers and some how some way managed to find the World Trade Centers and fly into them.........to find NYC and the look over 20,000 Buildings and spot TWC and fly into them.
Perhaps you have never visited the Eastern Coast of the US. It has many distuguishing features that are easily recognized from maps or air photography. Why would it be hard to find New York City?
As to flying over 20,000 buildings looking for the WTC, it would seem you lack any experience of the New York City skyline. The WTC was sometimes described as "The Box the Empire State Building came in" (that's a joke fyi and the Empire State Building is quite visible sticking out of the other buildings). As the 2 tallest structures for hundreds of miles (Sears Tower in Chicago was taller and is still the tallest building in the US) and their position at the southern end of Manhatten was such that they were visible from New Jersey, Long Island and Staten Island, it was certainly not like the proverbial needle in a haystack.
Do you really think that you are convincing people or swaying them to your ahem "cause"? Oh yes, you still haven't told me which definition of "heathen" I am for giving documented information: heath dweller; not believing in the God of Christianity or a follower of norse pagan religions?
Or you could be trying to amuse youself by seeing if you can get anyone here 'wound up' or believing this sillyness. After over 55 pages combined, you might have realized that it's not working that way, neither are you winning converts to your dubious cause. Or maybe you haven't realized that. Oh dear
Ebor
Thank You for FALLING into my TRAP, because I know one of you would use that excuse BASED on assumtions, 1. You assume that TWC were visable from 25,000 feet in the sky, when they first came into NYC they were that high, (they never flew a 767 before AND the didn't know who to even fly a Cesna) there no way first timers could distinguish TWC from other buildings from 20/25,000 feet in the air from 5/600 feet yes but not 15-20,000 feet, remember this IS thier first time flying a 767 and they could BARLY fly the Cesna's when they were in training in Florida, one would truly have to be GULABLE not to carefully notice these Holes in the Gov's story!! BTW I challenged you and your wife FIRST, when I said "show that the Constitution says The President has executive Order "Privliges even with Congress being able to still function, 2. Show where it says The Executive Branch has athority beyond The District Of Columbia besides Coining Money, Regulating Interstate Trade, Raising an Army? 3. Show where it says the Gov can Go to War outside of the western Hemesphere, Scince you want to go back and talk about things I said well it's only fair that you answer my challenge first, but the real reason both of you didn't answer was because your stuck you guys don't even know your own LAWS, and when I point out our LAWS are being broken by zionist puppets you accuse me of not knowing what I'm talking about, HA! both of you are a funny (P.S. I already told you twice why I called you a heathen, so go back and read what I posted.)
Ebor wrote:btw, Mr. Holland. You and I may disagree on some things. But I want to thank you for the links to the "Popular Mechanics" pages. Very clear, interesting and well done. It's interesting how they talk to people cited by the conspiracy supporters and find out what they really said and how the groups touted by Mr/Ms. Iconophili are misquoting and taking things out of context. Not surprising. Why bother with the truth when it doesn't support your conspiracies?
Ebor
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WHAT did I misqout?, I have NEVER used "Popular Mechanics" for any type of Referance?? 
ICONOPHILI wrote:[ Thank You for FALLING into my TRAP
Dear Iconophili,
If you are Orthodox and pray the psalms and have heard the Holy Gospel, you know that laying traps with words is wicked; "Let the wicked fall into their own nets while I withal escape."
These ego fights are not worth it to anyone. Please consider the popular mechanics articles below that speak the truth concerning the engineering and physics of these horrible tradgedies:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science ... 27842.html
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science ... page=2&c=y
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science ... page=3&c=y
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science ... page=4&c=y
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science ... page=5&c=y
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science ... page=6&c=y
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science ... page=7&c=y
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science ... page=8&c=y
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science ... page=9&c=y
False accusations and false witness is very, very wicked. These articles speak the truth concerning the engineering and physics.
andy holland
sinner
