Favoritism?

joasia · Post by **joasia** » Wed 3 May 2006 9:28 pm

Fr. Siluan,

CHRIST IS RISEN!

Deacon Nikolai wrote:

One has to wonder, does this have anything to do with your well publicized ouster and banning from Jordanville? If so, would you perhaps like to share your side of the story since many former and current ROCOR members have only heard the official excommunication story from Holy Trinity Monastery.

By the standards set here, you should also apply them to Dc Nikolai who wrote slander against Rostislav, on the other thread. After all, he made a very specific accusation with no back up. Where is this "well-publicized" ousting? Who are the "many former and current ROCOR members" who have "heard the official excommunication story"?

It seems to me that the circumstances are conditional. And Rostislav was gracious enough to be open about it. But, since I don't see any further posts by Rostislav, then I should assume that he has been "ousted" from here. Am I correct in that assessment? Now he doesn't even have the ability to defend himself against further slander by other posters.

And just to put my worthless two cents in it...I have seen plenty of personal attacks, against Rostislav, by others and yet they still are allowed to post, like AndyHolland and Orthodox6. Nothing was said about their comments against Kollyvas. This made me scratch my head.

Do the moderators look upon this forum like some literary gladiator event, with favorites? Observing the events in silence but giving thumbs up for the favorites and feeding the opponents to the banning lion.

I've seen alot more intelligent contribution by Rostislav than some flippant remarks in response to his serious posts. They just look like cheap shots; talk about a waste of space.

尼古拉前执事 · Post by **尼古拉前执事** » Wed 3 May 2006 9:45 pm

joasia wrote:
By the standards set here, you should also apply them to Dc Nikolai who wrote slander against Rostislav

Dear Josia, as I imediately replied, should have been a PM and when I wanted to delete it, Kolyvas insisited I keep it public. I had been told the story by many people and I wanted to hear what Kolyvas' side of the story was. I made the unfortunate mistake of posting publicly and when I was going to fix that Kolyvas asked me not to. Notice that I did not mention any accusations by name, but simply that he was thrown out and barred from Jordanville right before he left the ROCOR for the MP. This is not a slander.

While I am upset at my mistake of posting rather than PMing, I am glad that the people at this forum, who are among those that told me he was removed from Jordanville, got to see his side of the story which he wanted public.

尼古拉前执事 · Post by **尼古拉前执事** » Wed 3 May 2006 9:50 pm

joasia wrote:
I have seen plenty of personal attacks, against Rostislav, by others and yet they still are allowed to post, like AndyHolland and Orthodox6. Nothing was said about their comments against Kollyvas. This made me scratch my head.

Actually most warnings are private. Both of the people you mention have been warned for the record. Warnings only go public when the person continuously violates the rules.

Priest Siluan · Post by **Priest Siluan** » Wed 3 May 2006 10:28 pm

joasia wrote:
Fr. Siluan,

CHRIST IS RISEN!

Deacon Nikolai wrote:

One has to wonder, does this have anything to do with your well publicized ouster and banning from Jordanville? If so, would you perhaps like to share your side of the story since many former and current ROCOR members have only heard the official excommunication story from Holy Trinity Monastery.

By the standards set here, you should also apply them to Dc Nikolai who wrote slander against Rostislav, on the other thread. After all, he made a very specific accusation with no back up. Where is this "well-publicized" ousting? Who are the "many former and current ROCOR members" who have "heard the official excommunication story"?

It seems to me that the circumstances are conditional. And Rostislav was gracious enough to be open about it. But, since I don't see any further posts by Rostislav, then I should assume that he has been "ousted" from here. Am I correct in that assessment? Now he doesn't even have the ability to defend himself against further slander by other posters.

And just to put my worthless two cents in it...I have seen plenty of personal attacks, against Rostislav, by others and yet they still are allowed to post, like AndyHolland and Orthodox6. Nothing was said about their comments against Kollyvas. This made me scratch my head.

Do the moderators look upon this forum like some literary gladiator event, with favorites? Observing the events in silence but giving thumbs up for the favorites and feeding the opponents to the banning lion.

I've seen alot more intelligent contribution by Rostislav than some flippant remarks in response to his serious posts. They just look like cheap shots; talk about a waste of space.

Joanna:

Father Nikolai made a mistake and sends that post as public which should to be a PM and then he apologize and offered to remove it but Rostislav refused to did so and he asked that this post continue as public, Then Rostislav, without any reason, began to attack Late bishops with a vulgar language, back you could see the whole sequence of facts.

BTW, we don't have any favorite one here and if in fact that was as well as you say (but it is not so), Rostislav would be in fact one of my favorite since until here I felt enough sympathy for him

joasia · Post by **joasia** » Wed 3 May 2006 10:55 pm

CHRIST IS RISEN!

Dc Nikolai wrote:

I had been told the story by many people and I wanted to hear what Kolyvas' side of the story was.

Then why not make it public as to who told you...since you were ready to believe what they said. I know many people in ROCOR too. Perhaps we have mutual acquaintances.

Notice that I did not mention any accusations by name, but simply that he was thrown out and barred from Jordanville

You said he was "excommunicated". That is a major accusation. Again...those who exorted such accusations should be named, since you had full confidence in their "views".

This is not a slander.

It is slander, when it is not true.

I am glad that the people at this forum, who are among those that told me he was removed from Jordanville, got to see his side of the story which he wanted public.

You said, "excommunicated". And have you notified him of these people? Shouldn't he have the right to know? I would certainly like to know who is spreading lies about me...wouldn't you?

Fr. Siluan,

Is he banned or not?

尼古拉前执事 · Post by **尼古拉前执事** » Wed 3 May 2006 11:05 pm

joasia wrote:
You said, "excommunicated".

My apologies, I did not meant to say he was excommunicated from the ROCOR of that is what you inferred, but that he was told to leave Jordanville and never return.

Thank you for giving me an opportunity to clarify. As for what was said privately, I keep that in confidence. Again these posts are only here because Kolyvas wanted them to remain, I wanted to delete them once I realized my error but he insisted otherwise.

尼古拉前执事 · Post by **尼古拉前执事** » Wed 3 May 2006 11:20 pm

We have had complaints of perceived favoritism towards Kolyvas who is a member of the MP as well as Orthodox6 who is in the OCA. In the past we had complaints of perceived favoritism towards TomS who is in the GOA as well as CGW & Ebor who are Anglicans.

We have also had complaints of perceived favoritism of some traditionalists over the years. As long as we are getting complaints about and from both sides of the fence as well as those still sitting on the fence, I think we are doing a good job at being fair. Sometimes being fair just means having to discipline other poster's adversaries and their favorites too.