Iconophili's Great Big Thread of Conspiracies!

[ICONOPHILI]

Believe it or not, other than Iconophili I know a medical doctor who believes that rubish as well.

Both have not been exposed to internet hoaxes to realize that college kids play pranks and tell fibs for fun.

When I was in school, we had many of the nuclear engineering students going to the office to "confess" that they had dismantled a "valuble" computer. In fact it was a junked machine and students had taken parts from it.

Another fellow and I wrote a fake memo warning about the destruction of valuable property. The professors - realizing the joke, played the poor students who came in to "confess". It was a typical senior prank (a lie), that netted "laughs" afterwards.

These hoaxes about 9-11, including the cruise missile - etc, are like the one mentioned above, not very funny for those involved.

But as PT Barnum put it, there is a sucker born every minute.

This subject matter includes a very real war, very real casualties (3000 in the US) and very real widows and orphans - as well as those who are easily taken in by lies.

andy holland
sinner

Here's Government officials who also, say "Official Version" of 9/11 is FALSE. I've posted some of these before but people like CGW try hard to ignore it, :bump: 1. http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4511 2. http://www.propagandamatrix.com/article ... uspect.htm 3. http://www.propagandamatrix.com/article ... attack.htm 4. http://www.rense.com/general68/911jh.htm 5. http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=2231 6. http://www.periodico26.cu/english/opini ... 011806.htm

[CGW]

FIrst of all, Iconophili, you didn't look for the report on-line-- or if you did, you did a right poor job of it.

I typed '9/11 commission report' into Google. The very first listing returned was the website of The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also known as the 9-11 Commission). A single click away from that webpage is the report. So you have absolutely no excuse for referring to the actual report, when it comes to that.

As far as your "experts" are concerned:

Morgan Reynolds is an economist. You can find criticisms of his theories linked to from the Wiki page on him. At any rate, I'm not impressed by his structural engineering expertise.

Robert M. Bowman comes across as a nutcase, frankly. Among his many other roles, he is apparently the archbishop of The United Catholic Church, which appears to be a vagante Catholic group of in the Vilatte chain of dubious consecrations.

Andreas Von Bülow at least seems to be sane. And he at least has some qualification concerning intelligence (the spy kind). But like the other conspiracy theorists, he seems to be working off of the same limited set of data.

Now, the story about links between the hijackers and the Saudi government is of some actual importance. But it doesn't lead to any of the conspiracy theories, Iconophili, especially the ones you like that say there were no hijackers. People who believe in the true story of 9/11 are concerned about these linkages too, because they show that the Saudi government is not of one mind in its supposed cooperation with the USA. Indeed, a constant complaint by those knowledgable about the Saudis is that the government has cozied up to the Wahhabists for support, in total contradiction to the Wahhabist aim to destroy the very visibly corrupt monarchy.

And the link from the Cuban website? Don't make me laugh. The 1972 Munich attack? The airliners blown up in the desert? Lockerbie? General Ivashov is full of bullhockey.

It would be nice if I could get you to understand that the "controlled demolition" theory on WTC 7 is never going to sway me. "Unprecendented" cannot mean "didn't happen". And as for as the collapse of the towers is concerned, I looked at the examples given of other buildings. If I recall correctly, the part of the south tower above the impact was as tall as any of these other buildings-- and none of them had a 757 hit it.

And for everyone's entertainment, I have some lovely footage from Sandia of an F-4 crashed into a concrete wall at speed. If you play it you will see the airplane simply disappear as it hits the wall. It was reduced to tiny shreds by the impact.

[TomS]

Pentagon Releasing Video of Plane Hitting Building on 9/11
Tuesday , May 16, 2006

WASHINGTON — Conspiracy theorists may or may not be disappointed Tuesday when the Pentagon releases footage from two angles showing American Flight 77 hitting the western wall of the building on Sept. 11, 2001.

The Department of Justice is releasing the videotape after a Freedom of Information Act request by Judicial Watch, a government watchdog. The request was made to quiet claims by some that pictures from that day never showed an airplane, only the "alleged" impact of the plane. Those claims spawned theories that the U.S. government faked the crash at the Pentagon.

"We fought hard to obtain this video because we felt that it was very important to complete the public record with respect to the terrorist attacks of September 11," said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. "Finally, we hope that this video will put to rest the conspiracy theories involving American Airlines Flight 77. As always, our prayers remain with all those who suffered as a result of those murderous attacks."

One of the tapes is from a security camera that was used to produce five still shots on that day. That video, which takes pictures in half-second increments, apparently shows the nose cone of the plane clearly entering the picture, then a blur and then a fireball.

The other camera shot that hasn't been seen before shows more of the plane before the fireball.

American Airlines Flight 77 left Dulles Airport outside Washington, D.C., around 8:51 a.m. EDT on Tuesday, Sept. 11, 2001. On its way to Los Angeles, the plane was hijacked and crashed into the Pentagon at 9:37 a.m. EDT.

Three other planes were hijacked that day. Two hit the North and South towers of the World Trade Center and one — United Flight 93 — believed to be headed to Washington, D.C., was stopped by passengers who fought the hijackers. The plane crashed into a field in Shanksville, Pa. Nearly 3,000 people died that day as a result of the attacks.

A dramatic film, United 93, is currently in wide release depicting that day. The film borrows heavily from taped phone conversations that passengers and crew had with their families and air traffic controllers before the fight for control of the plane.

Judicial Watch first filed the FOIA request in February 2004. It received a letter from the Pentagon in January 2005 that it possessed a videotape responsive to the request but wouldn't release it since it was "part of an ongoing investigation involving Zacarias Moussaoui." Judicial Watch filed a lawsuit in February 2006, arguing that the Defense Department had "no legal basis" to withhold the tape.

[TomS]

9/11 Pentagon video goes public for first time
Public interest group says release will end 'conspiracy theories'

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Video showing a plane crashing into the Pentagon on September 11, 2001, will be seen publicly for the first time on Tuesday, a judicial watchdog said.

The Department of Defense will release tapes showing American Airlines Flight 77 striking its headquarters outside Washington to Judicial Watch, a public interest group that requested the video, the group said.

The video will be available on the group's Web site after it receives the tape at 1 p.m., according to a news release from Judicial Watch.

Still photographs of the aftermath of the attack showed the Pentagon on fire but no images of the Boeing 757 striking the building have ever been made public. (Watch fireballs engulf ruined parts of the Pentagon -- 0:55)

"We fought hard to obtain this video because we felt that it was very important to complete the public record with respect to the terrorist attacks of September 11," said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton.

"Finally, we hope that this video will put to rest the conspiracy theories involving American Airlines Flight 77. As always, our prayers remain with all those who suffered as a result of those murderous attacks."

The Pentagon attack killed 184 people: Fifty-three passengers and six crew members on board American Airlines Flight 77, and 125 military and civilian personnel inside the building.

Some conspiracy theorists have maintained the aircraft was shot down in flight, and that the Pentagon was struck by a missile.

Judicial Watch filed a Freedom of Information Act request, but the government had refused to release the video until after the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui, the convicted al Qaeda conspirator who was sentenced earlier this month to life in prison.

Judicial Watch is "a conservative, non-partisan educational foundation, promotes transparency, accountability and integrity in government, politics and the law," according to its Web site.

The group filed a lawsuit this year, arguing that there was "no legal basis" for the Pentagon's refusal to release the tape.

The video requested by Judicial Watch was taken from security cameras at the Pentagon, the Sheraton National Hotel, the Nexcomm/Citgo gas station, and Virginia Department of Transportation traffic cameras.

Jill Farrell, Judicial Watch's director of media affairs, told CNN she would not know which video will be released "until we see it."

Find this article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/16/pentag ... index.html

[jacqueline]

They have them posted on http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/foi/index.html

Unfortunatley, it doesn't look like anything new.

Videos of American Flight 77 striking the Pentagon on September 11, 2001
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Video 2 ([url=mms://wm.world.mii-streaming.net/media/defense/flight77/fl77-2_11094237.WMV]WMV[/url])

[Chrysostomos]

Whether there is new discovered video of the flight or not, I wouldn't put any credibility into it either way.

Technology is so advanced, you could create something that appears to be factual, and it isn't.

If there were a conspiracy, then it would have to come out from some high ranking official, willing to be a "lamb led to the slaughter" in order to provide something that would stick and make American's believe something so horrendous could actually happen like that.

The likelihood of such taking place is nil to none.

We must therefore, commend all to God.

Your fellow struggler in Christ,

Rd. Chrysostomos

[ICONOPHILI]

They didn't know how to fly 757's who did they mannaged to fly, these? Answer= They didn't, it was REmote Controlled, How did the Passangers talk on thier Cell phones, which isn't possible at 25,000/30,000 feet, the "9/11 Comission Report" never explained, these 2 point, it just "said" they did it, anybody can say that happend, but the problem is they didn't/ nor can they explain how it was possible for them to do it.