Should Tom Hanks be Excommunicated?

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Should Tom Hanks be Excommunicated for Da Vinci Code Movie

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Post by 尼古拉前执事 »

I actually was surprised the following canon of the Fifth-Sixth Council was not mentioned in this discussion:

CANON LI.

THIS holy and ecumenical synod altogether forbids those who are called "players," and their "spectacles," as well as the exhibition of hunts, and the theatrical dances. If any one despises the present canon, and gives himself to any of the things which are forbidden, if he be a cleric he shall be deposed, but if a layman let him be cut off.

ANCIENT EPITOME OF CANON LI.

Who shall play as an actor or shall attend theatrical representations or hunts shall be cut off. Should he be a cleric he shall be deposed.

BALSAMON.

Some one will enquire why canon xxiiij. decrees that those in holy orders and monks, who are constantly attending horse-races, and scenic plays, are to cease or be deposed: but the present canon says without discrimination, that those who give themselves over to such things if clergymen are to be deposed, and if laymen to be cut off. The solution is this. It is one thing and more easily to be endured, that a man should be present at a horse-race, or be convicted of going to see a play; and another thing, and one that cannot be pardoned, that he should give himself over to such things, and to exercise this continually as his business. Wherefore those who have once sinned deliberately, are admonished to cease. If they are not willing to obey, they are to be deposed. But those who are constantly engaged in this wickedness, if they are clerics, they must be deposed from their clerical place, if laymen they must be cut off.

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Fr. Nicholas,

I remembered that a cannon or two such as this existed, but I could not find it easily so I just used the others.

Anastasios,

I would of course agree with you, that there are exceptions, especially children’s movies. Of course, let’s remember too that the industry is generally demonic in nature.

But my point is not about the content of the movie, rather, without regard to the content, being an actor is placing oneself in a spiritually dangerous position. First, the very nature of the work is mentally deranging, where a person transforms his state of mind into foreign ones. This is opposite of the state of mind Orthodox Christians should strive for, where one is constantly on guard with his thoughts and actions, and even praying – all in order to maintain control minute by minute. The goal of acting is to defuse thinking and create moods.

Now once a person in indoctrinated into a life as an actor, even of the most innocent kind as you would allow, then immediately that persons thoughts turn toward greater things: a better part, a bigger movie, more money. This person will then work out standards of behavior that equate with the standards people expect of actors. All of this will have a very negative influence and will slowly, or rapidly, develop into a self-destructive spiritual lifestyle. The greatest pitfall of an actor is the ego and becoming the object of envy or obsession, which is to cause other people to sin.

The little old ladies in our church will literally tell you that acting is just one cut below prostitution, because an actor basically sells his integrity. Yes, you can find isolated exceptions, but I am talking about the rule. In the Iraq war, the vast majority of men come home (it is the exception not to), most without even an injury. Still, you would not advise any friend to go. We must be just as sensible when it comes to our spiritual lives, where your own block is a devastated wasteland of warfare, and we are all “walking wounded”.

I would generally agree. We should all be praying more. But when it's time to relax or when one wants to see a positive message reinforced or when one wants to see artistic elements a wholesome movie is ok and hence being an actor that participates in these films is justified.

Me and my wife rarely watch any movies these days, lately we have watched some Star Trek with one of our sons a few times a week (I have found that even Star Trek is dehumanizing (I know, you think I am nuts)); I think everyone is at a different point in trying to be spiritually perfect, and not only that, they have different degrees of difficulty in their lives which makes spiritual progress somewhat relative. It would be ideal to watch no TV and to pray all day, but not to many people have reached that level unfortunately. I believe however that this failure does not have anything to do with other people choosing acting as a career.

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In times past when the canons were written, the plays ranged from a rating of R to XXX. There was an empress who apparently appeared on stage with a duck who ate an edible covering off her body. I believe she was married to Justinian.

This is the sort of thing the canons had in mind. Roman entertainment was extremely explicit - beyond anything we currently have on TV (though TV is getting there).

OTOH perhaps the degradation is inevitable, so that is why the canon is so strict - because eventually it degrades to a base level. I would gladly throw the TV away, but I must admit I watch the news and a History channel as well as some religious broadcasting a great deal.

There was a very good old movie called the Song of Bernadette about a Roman Catholic saint, and Vincent Price played an excellent role as an athiest who was too proud to convert, even though he saw people being healed all around him and could not explain it scientifically. That made a very powerful positive impression on me.

So do we throw the baby out with the bath water?

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Bishop Prompts All Orthodox to Stop Watching TV!

Post by 尼古拉前执事 »

Now we get in to the realm of a previous thread at http://euphrosynoscafe.com/forum/viewto ... 64&start=9 that said:

Fighting against television is "the foremost task of the Orthodox priest", says Bishop Venyamin. The priests must prompt their parish members to "make a decision to throw out the TV or at least to get rid of it."

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Yes, I really should throw out the TV. Very good arguments and link discussion.

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What is truly saddening, is that here someone is taking a poll as to whether Tom Hanks should be excommunicated or not. To add insult to injury, we pull up the usual Canon's that would allow us to judge our brother.

The thing that always puzzles me is this.....

The Canon's were known by the Bishops and I assume the Priest. I am safe to assume that the common Christian back then, was illiterate, and didn't have access to the Canons.

I guess we can thank the Gutenburg Press for being developed, yet even in it being developed, no doubt publication of Canon's was not the first thing on the printing press, nor was the bible itself available to the masses for a long, long time.

No, the common Eastern Orthodox follower, had just enough time no doubt to work the fields and come home and enjoy his/her family. To worship God, and try to live the life that God called him to live.

Times have changed. Behold the internet, and now everything is available. Now we can find canon's that support our position and throw them at everyone else who doesn't measure up to our standard.

We have more "Jurisdictions" who fight amongst themselves, whether they are "Traditional" or "World" Orthodox. The Traditionalists don't even have communion between themselves, and the "World" are not any better. Dueling amongst all themselves as to who is "truly" Orthodox and who is not. Yet, the world perishes and in America, there is only a whisper of Eastern Orthodoxy. Saddening even more so, is that English services, if my understanding is correct, didn't really start to take place until the late 1960's, early 70's. Then of course, you have those, who have churches in America, and do the services in their native tongue. Are they here to proclaim the gospel to America, or to their own respective Immigrant people's?

Now of course, the usual response to all this is, I am defending Orthodoxy. I alone, or my "Jurisdiction" alone, has the truth. All others are without grace. This is the work of God?

Yes, yes, as I am sure all the Pharisee's did the same in defending Judiasm, when they went to stone the woman caught in adultery, yet our Lord said, he who is without sin, cast the first stone.

So, I ask, are all those who are posting and stating that Mr. Hanks should be excommunicated without sin? Please, by all means, respond back and tell us of your sinlessness.

Too much time is spent focusing on what others are not doing, or should be doing, rather than our own individual praxis.

Who has appointed us as everyone else's judge? IF anyone is to give counsel, isn't that the responsibility of an Orthodox Christian's spiritual father or mother? That is unless there are many here who have reached the status of Staretz! If so, please respond accordingly.

I wonder if we really consider our posts and what the ramifications are in posting some of the things that we have here. Perhaps there is a "Traditional" Orthodox Christian, who for whatever reason, decides to leave his "Church". There are no other "Traditional" Orthodox Churches for 600 miles or more in any direction. Even though there is another of the "Traditonal" or "Worldly" somewhat close by that they could indeed attend. But no, due to the postings here, it really doesn't matter. They could attend, but since God is not there, nor his grace, he/she might as well embrace the world and renounce their life in Christ. The same in regards to a "World" Orthodox Christian. He/she has read the posts, and it is evident that the Church is graceless, without God. He/she on the other hand sees the way that those who posts and are "Traditional" and says, if that is what I must become, I too shall embrace the world and renounce my life in Christ.

That my friends, my brothers and sisters, is a "heavy responsibility" that you take upon yourself in posting some of the articles that have been posted here.

I recognize my many short-comings, I recognize my own and many weaknesses. I am sure also, that I am blind to many others. That if God revealed to me, how he truly see's me, it wouldn't be pretty. I just pray that we can at least work towards unity amongst ourselves as Eastern Orthodox Christians, and not continue in the divisive manner that seems more prevalent as days go by.

Your fellow struggler in Christ,

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What is truly saddening, is that here someone is taking a poll as to whether Tom Hanks should be excommunicated or not. To add insult to injury, we pull up the usual Canon's that would allow us to judge our brother.

Chrysostomos,

The poll has nothing to do with most of the posts, which qouted some canons to demonstrate the general attitute of the Church toward Acting. And talking about whether or not Acting is an acceptable career choice to the Church, is not at all judging Tom Hanks.

Now of course, the usual response to all this is, I am defending Orthodoxy. I alone, or my "Jurisdiction" alone, has the truth. All others are without grace. This is the work of God?

What a tragedy that you seem to fail to even read the posts but rather seem to just attack every discussion to do with "truth" with your own "usual responses" - which sounds like an echo from Pilot who said, "what is truth?"

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