George,
Before Fr. Nicholas answers your question, maybe you should tell us which of the 3, 4, or 5 Ukrainian indepedendent nationalist "Orthodox" churches speaks for your "one church" in the Ukraine?
And do please tell us which of the two "Patriarchs" in Jerusalem is the real one - they both make the claim and according to your logic, making the claim is all that matters.
Hang on a minute. Why so defensive?
Dcn. Nicholas said that "Gregory of Colorado no longer falsely claims to be ROAC", however I pointed out recent statements published apparently under his omorphion here: http://www.roacamerica.org/announcements.html, and asked the simple question of who is doing this if, as he said, Archbishop Gregory no longer claims to be ROAC.
Sheesh!
"As long as it depends on Monothelitism, then Miaphysitism is nothing but a variant of Monophysitism."
George Australia wrote:Then who is making these announcements "under the direction of Archbishop Gregory of Denver and Colorado" in the name of ROAC ?
The same retired, excommunicated monk that later on that same site says,
" ... the need was apparent to identify ourselves by a different name. Therefore, the Genuine Orthodox Church of America, (GOCA) was founded in 2004. Our Church is officially known as the Genuine Orthodox Church of America ... "
This excommunicated monk's new "official" web site for his synod of one excommunicated monk Gregory of Colorado can be found at http://www.gocamerica.org, not to be confused with the Genuine Greek Orthodox Church of America, whose web site can be found at http://TheGreekOrthodoxChurch.com . As for the real ROAC in America web site, that can be found at http://www.ROACusa.org .
Nathanael wrote:Are you not aware that the MP is a full member, participant and promoter of the teachings and goals of the WCC? This is clearly teaching that is contrary to the Orthdoox Faith.
I think that soundbite a little simplistic and somewhat naive.
The ROC has been very clear and articulate concerning its participation and goals in the ecumenical movement.
If there have been mistakes in the past, they are not being repeated now, and part of that will be the influence of ROCOR which will maintain the strict Orthodox position when meeting with the heterodox.
I myself personally feel that the fruits are not evident given all the work that goes into these endeavors, but I do not believe that working in such a setting automatically makes one a heretic. Some however do believe that fruit will be borne at some point and may God give them the strenght to endure.
In Christ,
Deacon John
