I think there's a lot of talking past each other on this subject. The Western view is of substitutionary atonement because God required a perfect sacrifice, this is what is definitely not Orthodox and this began with Augustine and the RCC who taught that God was infinitely offended for the Original Sin of Adam etc. Isaiah: God doesn't require sacrifice, Christ does not condemn us, etc. We have a completely different relationship with God which has no similarity at all with the juridical relationship as it developed in the West. (actually, if what we believe about God describes the God we believe in then we have different Gods).
Orthodox salvation is many-faceted because it relates to salvation at in Passover, the freedom from slavery and becoming of God's household. Substitutionary atonement as taught in the Protestant from RCC/Augustine doctrines relates salvation back to Yom Kippur type idea and more or less ignores that God's mercy and forgiveness were available before Christ.
Myrrh
Myrrh wrote:Orthodox salvation is many-faceted because it relates to salvation at in Passover, the freedom from slavery and becoming of God's household. Substitutionary atonement as taught in the Protestant from RCC/Augustine doctrines relates salvation back to Yom Kippur type idea and more or less ignores that God's mercy and forgiveness were available before Christ.
Myrrh
But Myrrh you are ignoring the fact that all with the exceptation of Enoch and Eljiah before the coming of Christ after they died did not enter Heaven but were sent down to hades.
You are also ignoring the fact that the Bible in many places both in the Old and New Testaments uses "jurdicial" or "legal" metaphors such as "justification", "propriation", "condemnation", etc.
Theophan.
Myrrh wrote:Substitutionary atonement as taught in the Protestant from RCC/Augustine doctrines relates salvation back to Yom Kippur type idea and more or less ignores that God's mercy and forgiveness were available before Christ.
Substitutionary atonement is taught in Scripture.
Isa 53:5
But he [was] wounded for our transgressions, [he was] bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Mat 26:28
For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Mat 20:28
Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
John 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Rom 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Rom 3:25
Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Hbr 9:15
And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions [that were] under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Hbr 9:16
For where a testament [is], there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Hbr 9:17
For a testament [is] of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Hbr 9:18
Whereupon neither the first [testament] was dedicated without blood.
Hbr 9:19
For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
Hbr 9:20
Saying, This [is] the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
Hbr 9:21
Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
Hbr 9:22
And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
There is no need to reference Western Christianity.
Peace.
