Good Works of Ecumenists and Heterodox Gain Nothing

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Jean-Serge wrote:
Icxypion wrote:
Jean-Serge wrote:

I understand this behaviour and it is not shocking. As christian of denomination X having entered in marriage with a christian of denomination X, I fell perfectly entitled to divorce if my spouse makes apostasy since that the bases of marriage, i.e common faith, no longer exists. Even for the orthodox, the apostasy of the spouse (previously orthodox) is a motive for divorce.

Yes, I suppose you make a good point, Father.

I'm neither a priest nor your father :?

:ohvey: DOH! Sorry about that. :oops:

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Maria wrote:

There is a protestant online website, which I will not link, that lists Orthodox Christians as a cult.
They recommend that any Orthodox Christian relatives be deprogrammed.
This woman wanted her Orthodox (inquirer) husband to undergo deprogramming. Of course, he refused.

Your points bring some background to this strange case. Based on my very, very broad experience with thousands of Evangelical friends and acquaintances over 30 years of my life, I have to say that I STILL find such behaviour on the part of his wife, shocking.

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DEPROGRAMMED ?!!!

I learned something here ! I had never heard of this approach by some Evangelicals.
Which sects in specific think like that about the Orthodox ?

What do they believe is cult-like about Orthodoxy ? Which jurisdictions are they complaining about - IF they
even know enough to distinguish between various World Orthodox ones ?

That reminds me of the Elizabeth Ann article which is not online anymore.
Any members know the story of what happened there ?
She was the one who had bizarre run-ins with some Platina "priestmonk" or something - I have forgotten.

If no one is interested to pursue this question, then let it go. I was just remembering that story the other day,
that's why I am inquiring.

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Barbara wrote:

DEPROGRAMMED ?!!!

I learned something here ! I had never heard of this approach by some Evangelicals.
Which sects in specific think like that about the Orthodox ?

What do they believe is cult-like about Orthodoxy ? Which jurisdictions are they complaining about - IF they
even know enough to distinguish between various World Orthodox ones ?

That reminds me of the Elizabeth Ann article which is not online anymore.
Any members know the story of what happened there ?
She was the one who had bizarre run-ins with some Platina "priestmonk" or something - I have forgotten.

If no one is interested to pursue this question, then let it go. I was just remembering that story the other day,
that's why I am inquiring.

I don't know of any Evangelical groups that would recommend or think that Orthodox believers need deprogramming.
If there are any, I would think their idea of Orthodoxy as cult like might have something to do with the bad press of Elder Ephraim of Arizona. Many young men and women's parents complain of the total control and shunning that is practised by the Elder in directing the novices to shun all their attachments to their families.
I don't think I have heard the story of Elizabeth Anne of Platina. Maybe you could start a thread and provide some background to begin discussion.

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Icxypion wrote:
Barbara wrote:

DEPROGRAMMED ?!!!

I learned something here ! I had never heard of this approach by some Evangelicals.
Which sects in specific think like that about the Orthodox ?

What do they believe is cult-like about Orthodoxy ? Which jurisdictions are they complaining about - IF they
even know enough to distinguish between various World Orthodox ones ?

That reminds me of the Elizabeth Ann article which is not online anymore.
Any members know the story of what happened there ?
She was the one who had bizarre run-ins with some Platina "priestmonk" or something - I have forgotten.

If no one is interested to pursue this question, then let it go. I was just remembering that story the other day,
that's why I am inquiring.

I don't know of any Evangelical groups that would recommend or think that Orthodox believers need deprogramming.
If there are any, I would think their idea of Orthodoxy as cult like might have something to do with the bad press of Elder Ephraim of Arizona. Many young men and women's parents complain of the total control and shunning that is practised by the Elder in directing the novices to shun all their attachments to their families.
I don't think I have heard the story of Elizabeth Anne of Platina. Maybe you could start a thread and provide some background to begin discussion.

It was primarily the Orthodox Christian Laity (OCL), which appears to be largely masonic, and their GOAL group which has attacked Elder Ephraim of Arizona and the former Archbishop Spyridon of New York. Certain very rich parents were simply hysterical that their sons and daughters wanted to enter monasticism as these hysterical parents wanted their children to marry and give them grandchildren. Quite selfish indeed! How can the church grow if parents forbid their sons and daughters from serving in the church as priests, deacons, and monastics?

On the other hand, Elder Ephraim did a great disservice by leaving ROCOR, stopping his practice of baptizing Catholics and Protestants, and then joining the New Calendarists. He counsels people who are thinking of joining the Old Calendarists that they are going into schism. Yet, he has gone into heresy by leaving the Old Calendarists and joining himself to the Ecumenists and Modernists who follow the New Calendar.

Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me a sinner.

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It is clear that the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of the New Calendarists is messed up. They condemn Orthodoxy, and they bless heresy and communion with it. And Elder Ephraim has made himself the one who gives the mere appearance of conservative traditionalism as being compatible with such apostasy. He is a greater enemy of Christ than his liberal and masonic co-religionists, because at least they fly their true colours where everyone can see them and if they have any sense they can flee. But Ephraim convinces a great many of them to stay with the ecumenist and masonic judases on account of his own show of traditionalism mixed with an inexplicable insistence on staying in communion with this nonsense.

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^ Interesting, I hadn't thought of this approach, Icxpion.

Maria, was Elder Ephraim with Rocor BEFORE ? I had not at all realized that. I thought he was a product of Mt Athos somehow, sent over
to start Athonite-traditioned monasteries here in the West.

He is a strange fish, it seems like, from all accounts...

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