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Looks like ROCOR priest concelebrated with EP and MP priests

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http://www.orthodoxireland.com/Members/ ... 08-26.2508

Kursk Ikon Visits Ireland

Orthodox Christians in Ireland were blessed this past weekend by the
visit of the wonder-working Kursk Root Ikon of the Theotokos.

The ancient ikon, whose remarkable history has been intertwined with
that of Russian Orthodox Christians for seven centuries, visited
Orthodox churches in Dublin and Belfast.

On Friday evening, Father Vadim Zakrevsky of the Russian Orthodox
Cathedral of the Dormition (ROCOR) in London brought the ikon to the
newly-established Russian Orthodox Church of St Peter and St Paul in
Dublin (ROC-MP), where a Moleben and Akathist were served. In
attendance were Father George Zavershinsky, rector of St Peter and St
Paul church, as well as Archbishop Anatoly of Kerch (ROC-Sourozh
Diocese).

Father Vadim then travelled to Belfast on Saturday morning to
celebrate the Divine Liturgy with Father Geoffrey Ready at Holy
Trinity Orthodox Church, a small English-language mission parish
(ROCOR).

On Saturday afternoon and Sunday morning, the ikon returned to Dublin
to Annunciation Greek Orthodox Church (Greek Archdiocese of
Thyateira), where many hundreds of faithful gathered to worship
together and venerate the holy ikon. The Sunday Liturgy was
concelebrated by Father Ireneu Craciun, rector of Annunciation
church, Father Vadim and Father Geoffrey. Also serving was Father
Deacon Christian Gheorghiu of Annunciation church.

In his sermon, Father Vadim reminded the gathered faithful that the
proper response to the tremendous blessing which the Lord bestows
upon His people is a life of spiritual struggle, prayer and fasting --
fasting not only from food at appointed times, but fasting at all
times from sin, from temptation, from all that prevents us from
honouring and worshipping God in company with the Holy Theotokos and
all the saints.

Speaking after the Divine Liturgy, Father Ireneu recalled the ikon's
first visit to the Dublin in July 1993, when the church was going
through a period of crisis. The community was homeless, having been
evicted from the rented premises they had used for a number of years.
The visit of the holy ikon had brought much comfort in the midst of
this distress, and within a month of the ikon's visit, the current
church property had been miraculously found.

In his remarks, Father Geoffrey reflected on the significance that
this Holy Liturgy and visit of the Kursk Root ikon fell between the
New and Old Calendar celebrations of the Feast of the Dormition of
the Theotokos. He recalled that, on the eve of the falling asleep of
the Virgin Mary, the Apostles who had spread out to all corners of
the inhabited world to spread the Gospel were miraculously brought
together in one place. Father Geoffrey gave thanks to God for a
similar gathering of Orthodox Christians from all parts of Ireland
and beyond, from different churches and different nationalities,
coming together to worship in true unity, sharing One Body and One
Cup. He expressed his hope that this Orthodox unity in Ireland would
be the lasting legacy of the ikon's visit.

Following the Divine Liturgy, Father Vadim returned to London where
the ikon will remain for the Feast of the Dormition. Archbishop Mark
will then return with the ikon to New York later in the week.

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Post by bogoliubtsy »

I don't really have an objection to this...but I'm sure many will. Wonder what the response will be.

Justin Kissel

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I don't like it (especially concelebrating with the Greeks on Sunday morning), but what can I say other than that? \/

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Re: Looks like ROCOR priest concelebrated with EP and MP pri

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Well......

I remember saying such things would occur as I was leaving ROCOR. I said it, not because I was some seer or something, but it was a natural progression of the "new trend" in ROCOR. I was told by many who would style themselves as "traditional" that I was "too off base", that this would not occur and I was making a bigger deal than I should. I was told by a number of them if such a thing would occur they too would leave. Well???
Now what? This was not a disobedient priest, but a priest who acted with a bishops blessing and with such a Holy icon.

I am not surprised, but sad. There was a time, two years ago, that such a thing would have caused a real storm. But, since so many let so much happen for so often, the attitude has, well.....been so. Yes, we have heard that I do not like it, it is not god, ect.... but nothing of such a degree as calling out the True Confessors. Maybe...just maybe...they are afraid that they may be dragged out into the street and beat up like what happened in Chicago to that subdeacon who question why Peter would be made a bishop without his "sodomy accusation" being investigated. This too is to bad.

There is an add promoting awareness of AIDS that when you have relations with someone, you basically have relations not only with them, but everyone they had relations with for the past ten years. May be we need a new public add to warn against ecumenism. If you concelebrate with someone you too may get their sickness. Beware, use protection (the correct faith) and do not concelebrate with those you do not know and those that are risky that have relations with heretics. Especially such like the EP who tries to act like the Roman Pope and make decrees and such in the name of all.

I would really like to see that answer of such like Bishop Gabriel who's name is on this forum. I remember reading his consecration speech where he said " I further confess that our Church Abroad stands on the correct path in relationship to other official Churches which, alas, are quickly falling further away from a true Orthodox confession of faith.” Well now, has the EP come close to Orthodoxy? Sadly, it is ROCOR that is getting closer to the EP. Many have said that I should not have left, that I left for the wrong reasons, and that I should come back. They said such things as this would never occur, and if it did they too would leave. Well, the ball is in your court now. That lighthouse that once illuminated the way through the foggy waters of ecumenism has been vandalized by its own workers and left those who needed it blind. The honest thing to do is to leave. Leave it for Orthodoxy or for the world in some ecumenistic jurisdiction that does not play the “better than thou roll” (by saying they are traditional)yet participating with those who they (ROCOR) say are leading away from orthodoxy.

In Christ;
Priest Dionysi

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Priest Dionysi,

I noticed on the other forum, of which I do not post, that Fr. John Shaw made the incredible statement that the ROCOR never declared that they have the same ecclesiology as the Cyprianites, but merely said they were not heretics!

I am not aware of all the officialese going on around me, but is this true?

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OrthodoxyOrDeath wrote:

Priest Dionysi,

I noticed on the other forum, of which I do not post, that Fr. John Shaw made the incredible statement that the ROCOR never declared that they have the same ecclesiology as the Cyprianites, but merely said they were not heretics!

I am not aware of all the officialese going on around me, but is this true?

Yes, I saw that. But, I think from what we are seeing in ROCOR and the half truths that Priest John gave in regards to the Chicago incidents, all that he says should be suspect.

Now then, when the union occured, it was stated in the Synodal resolutions that after investigation it was seen that they shared the same ecclesiology. I will try to find the quote. But, as of lately all the referce material of past resolutions have been tataken off the internet. Maybe, to hide the fact that there is a new course on this sinking ship. One last thing, would it not be odd if the ROCOR said "we have a differeing ecclesiology, but we will still unite"?

Priest Dionysi

I looked over the previous post of mine, and saw many mistakes. I am sorry. I wrote it real fast, and was going to read it again, but sent it instead.

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OrthodoxyOrDeath wrote:

Priest Dionysi,

I noticed on the other forum, of which I do not post, that Fr. John Shaw made the incredible statement that the ROCOR never declared that they have the same ecclesiology as the Cyprianites, but merely said they were not heretics!

I am not aware of all the officialese going on around me, but is this true?

If you look in the Orthodox Life, Vol 44, No 4 (July-August), pp. 46-50. You will see that the ROCOR stated "that the Synod of Metropolitan Cyprian adheres wholly to the exact same ecclesiological and dogmatic principals as our Russian Church Outside of Russian"

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