Looks like ROCOR priest concelebrated with EP and MP priests

rebecca · Post by **rebecca** » Mon 1 September 2003 7:19 pm

That's my question: when does a church become heretical? Where do you draw the lines? I was baptized in the OCA. Could one really say that I wasn't baptized at all, that I'm a simple heathen who has been receiving confession and communion to her condemnation? OR have the sacraments I've received been devoid of grace because ROCOR has concelebrated with ecumenists?

I'm just looking for the truth, for what will save my soul. I don't want to argue about things I don't know about, and I'm not making any definitive statements.

Protopriest Dionysi · Mon 1 September 2003 7:21 pm

physicsgirl wrote:
My priest says that Vladyka Alypy, whom he has worked with for many years, would never be hasty in decision making, and would almost be too too thorough in investigating accusations against a member of the clergy. Peter could have just as easily stayed and helped govern the diocese as an archimandrite. As for other bishops refusing to consecrate him, I don't know about that...

Your priest says??? As I said, another has said something else. Is it that unreasonable to question? If bishop Alypy is so "thorough" why was there not a synodal investigation and decree for such a serious thing?

rebecca · Post by **rebecca** » Mon 1 September 2003 7:27 pm

Do you that there was not an investigation? Do you know that the investigation was insufficient? Is it not possible that people malign Bishop Peter because of his political views?

I'm not saying that it's unreasonable to question; I did ask my priest, who is a reliable source, in my opinion.

rebecca · Post by **rebecca** » Mon 1 September 2003 7:28 pm

Sorry, that's supposed to say "Do you know?"

OrthodoxyOrDeath · Mon 1 September 2003 7:56 pm

Father Dionysi,

I have long wanted to have some in-depth discussions with Fr. John Shaw, some of the statements he makes are simply incredible.

This is another example. I had thought the statement you qouted was fairly weel known, although I never seen it myself. How Fr. John Shaw pulled that rabbit out I'll never know.

Protopriest Dionysi · Mon 1 September 2003 8:39 pm

physicsgirl wrote:
Do you that there was not an investigation? Do you know that the investigation was insufficient? Is it not possible that people malign Bishop Peter because of his political views?

I'm not saying that it's unreasonable to question; I did ask my priest, who is a reliable source, in my opinion.

Is he a heretic? Is this why people do not want him? He is.....moderate? Meaning what? Is he Orthodox or not? More moderate in that he wants ROCOR to concelebrate with people that look at the Latins as been the other lung? Still, heresey. So maybe this is the real problem. People have to choose sodomy or heresey. How do I know their was not an nvestigation? I do not. What I do know is this, the priest Victor has said there is not, there are no supporters showing (the Ukaz)that there was.

Justin Kissel · Post by **Justin Kissel** » Mon 1 September 2003 8:56 pm

I see two courses to follow. To follow ROCOR...

Thus, with regret our whole Church has had to endure powerful disturbances hitherto unseen. As if from deep within the bosom of the body of the Church cracks began to appear, though they have not yet developed into deep fissures. We look on with fear as in places they are trying to transform these chinks into rifts which split apart not only the flock, but even the clergy. - Source

So, to stand and fight, and help sure up the walls? Or to not follow ROCOR...

That lighthouse that once illuminated the way through the foggy waters of ecumenism has been vandalized by its own workers and left those who needed it blind. - Fr. Dionysi