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Post by Justin Kissel »

The New Skete Monastery does a lot of things that confuse me. What really confuses me is why people are willing to bend over backwards to defend them. It seems like sometimes people are more worried about "covering" for New Skete than they are about scandalizing and spiritually harming their flock. When the Fathers spoke of covering the sins of your brothers, what is happening with New Skete is not what they meant. For example, in this Q&A, Fr. John makes some incredible statements (using some very strange arguments *) to excuse the practices of New Skete, and essentially says "gee, I think they're mostly harmless".

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  • As one example, the cheesecake argument baffles me. How can ICONS of HETERODOX saints be compared with food? My goodness, forgive my boldness, but does not Fr. John see the immense difference between selling certain cakes and selling certain (heterodox) icons?
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Are those images icons? I was under the impression that in many Orthodox Churches in the old country, pictures of contemporary people, rules, etc, Orthodox and non-Orthodox, are painted in the vestibule of the Church. The main objection I heard was taht they were painted in the nave not the vestibule, as in the nave only Orthodox icons should appear. But these images would not classify as icons since there are no halos attached.

I personally have never seen anyone bend over backwards to defend New Skete, but maybe people get defensive when people bend over backwards, forwards, jump up and down, and otherwise contort their bodies to attack New Skete. Even in the OCA people have always taken them with a grain of salt and now they are most considered a relic of a fizzled movement for liturgical renewal. I don't think anyone can get them on their use of a different typikon as each monastery in the Byzantine times had its own, but what I think was their downfall was, as one Antiochian priest friend of mine told me, their "avant-guarde style of monasticism" in other words, their "show" and "impress" and their "we are oh so chique" attitude. I was initially impressed with them until I saw a video of their liturgy and while it is obviously the Divine Liturgy of St John Chrysostom, it has a very Novus Ordo Vatican II feel to it. Very strange. I will be going there on a field trip this semester probably as part of a liturgy class and we will compare their recension of the office to that as celebrated in standard Orthodox practice. I'll report back then. 8)

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Sorry if I offended anyone.

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I wasn't offended and since I am one of the few "modernist" "ecumenist" OCA-liking types around here then I suppose if I am not offended that not many others here would be :D

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Well, but even if no one is offended, if I said something that someone somewhere might take offense to, and I said it rashly (which that post probably was), then it's my bad. So, sorry, my bad (even if you weren't personally offended) ;)

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Why don't you just offer to buy any offended parties a cheescake from New Skete? :lol:

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Post by Mor Ephrem »

If Justin's buying, I'm doubly offended. :)

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