The RC church: it has come to this

[Joe Zollars]

interesting you should mention about the Good Works. I just read an article on this by Batushka Gregory from SJKP in a very old edition of "Living Orthodoxy"

Joe Zollars

[sue57]

I agree that it does seem that this group has done some good works, particuliarly regarding the poor, the homeless and people with addictions. I've also heard it said that Dorothy Day, for all her socialist views, respected Catholic orthodoxy. What troubles me so much about this site, and why I find myself being judgemental is, the entire late 20th. Century concept that truth is an artificial construct, and that objective truth is impossible. To make a very long story short, I studied feminist film theory as a grad student for two years, and were it not for that life altering experience, I probably would not be on this board now.
The fact that Orthodoxy tolds that truth is not changeable, or subject to historical re-evaluation is one of the central tenants that I find so appealing about the Orthodox church. I still see this site, and the recent situation with the Episcopalians as part of a much larger issue. Feminism has taught that marriage is opression, children are a "choice" with no life value beyond whether or not they are conveinent. Yet, thousands of women in this country have no health insurance, I can't see an OB-GYN, I just cannot afford it, no way. Why is this not a feminist issue, but serving mass is? I remember when my grad school advisor told a male undergrad not to open the door for her, it was oppressive. I mean what contribution does this philosophy make to anyone's well being? Women are still subject to male violence, although I know that now the police are better trained to deal with this. But was it necessary to attact Christianity in order to accomplish this?? I do not believe that the RC church will survive this century.
I only hope and pray that Orthodoxy can continue to uphold and represent God's law. I hope that God protects His Church from the onslaught of evil.

Sorry, but even thought I made it to grad school, that doesn't mean I can spell!

Sues

[Gregory2]

"I can't see an OB-GYN, I just cannot afford it, no way. Why is this not a feminist issue, but serving mass is?"

This illustrates the hypocrisy of the "feminists" (who really care very little about individual women and a whole lot about themselves). It's whatever can advance their political agenda. When you, sues57, cease to be of use to them as a woman, they throw you out like they throw out yesterday's trash and just find some other woman to take your place who can serve their cause. It's communism pure and simple -- they have an agenda, and they use the simple, uninformed masses to advance that. They simply don't believe in the sanctity of life. It's said that most of them are really very stupid - and I believe that. Anyone with half a brain can see through their hypocrisy. It's foundation is selfishness, victimization, and the propagation and continuation of social/class warfare. Another name for it is Marxism. Most of them don't believe that communism truly failed -- they just think that it hasn't yet been done right (I'm not joking here).

"I only hope and pray that Orthodoxy can continue to uphold and represent God's law."

Don't worry about this. God promised us that the gates of hell would never prevail against His Holy Church, and He doesn't break His promises!

[away]

I remember reading in a book by Saint Theophan the recluse, I think it was "the spiritual life and how to be attuned to it", something he says in a letter to a young woman about "emancipationists" (i assume these were the early femenists). He says, in an innocent sort of way, that he suspects that behind every emancipationist is a proud woman. Imagine that. Pride was once considered a vice. Humility was seen clearly as a virtue and pride as a sin. What if he could see us now. Not just raving femenists, just everyday people and the culture they conform to. I think he would tell us to ignore this stuff as much as possible and to pray, pray, pray. In fact I suspect that if he were alive today, his counsel would be to flee to the wilderness.

Its later than we think.

[LatinTrad]

AMDG

Maybe I missed something . . .

I don't understand why the existence of a freak "Catholic" group is a reflection on Catholicism as such.

Sues57--BE FIRM in the Faith of your fathers.

Christ did indeed say that the gates of Hell would never prevail against His Church--against His Church founded on Peter.

Long live the Faith!

LatinTrad

[Julianna]

... the Orthodox Faith of the Orthodox Church founded on Christ the Bridegroom.

[Joe Zollars]

am I the only one who noticed that this group is NOT Roman Catholic but IS Vagante?

SueS. Might I suggest, if you intend to stay RC, that you find the nearest Latin Mass and go there to the exclusion of the Novus ORdo services? you will thank yourself for that decision.

LatinTrad: Do you attend Indult, SSPX, SSPV, CMRI, or an Independent chapel?

Joe Zollars