Patriarch Laurus???

尼古拉前执事 · Wed 24 September 2003 12:41 pm

From the Paradosis List: It was reported that Putin will meet with Metropolitan Lavrus during the visit of our President to New Your this week. http://www.portal-credo.ru/site/?act=news&id=13601&cf=

It is known that Putin is looking for a new candidate that can became Patriarch, and one of his ideas is to take somebody form ROCOR, because most of bishops in Russia are corrupted or involved in some parties. Alexey Ridiger was good for President Yeltsin, while Partiarch Pimen was very good for Brezhnev (they had very close relations and they were very similar), and Alexey Semansky was good for Khruschev. Vladimir Putin needs the one of his own (especially because Alexey is seriously ill now).

Justin Kissel · Post by **Justin Kissel** » Wed 24 September 2003 5:32 pm

A couple things that come to mind:

ROCOR is schismatic in the eyes of the MP, and the MP is certainly not looked at favorably (all in all) by ROCOR. Apart from whatever doctrinal or pastoral concerns there might be, I don't think it could even be allowed on the canonical level.
His Grace Met. Laurus is not in the best of health himself, is he?

尼古拉前执事 · Thu 25 September 2003 12:49 pm

COMMUNIQUE on the Meeting of Metropolitan Laurus, First Hierarch of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia, Members of the Synod of Bishops and President of the Russian Federation, Vladimir V. Putin

A meeting took place in the Consulate of the Russian Federation in New York on 24 September between the First Hierarch of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia, His Eminence Metropolitan Laurus, members of the Synod of Bishops and President V.V. Putin of the Russian Federation.

Participating in the meeting were Archbishop Mark of Berlin, Germany and Great Britain, Bishop Kyrill of San Francisco and Western America, the Secretary of the Synod of Bishops, Bishop Gabriel of Manhattan, Protopriests Nikolai Artemov and Peter Holodny, as well as the Prior of the stavropighial Monastery of the Meeting of Our Lord in Moscow, Archimandrite Tikhon (Shevkunov).

The paths of the Russian Church in the tragic 20th century were discussed, the relationship between the Orthodox Church and the government in present-day Russia, and the perspectives for a constructive dialogue between the Russian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate) and the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia. A letter from Patriarch Alexy II to Metropolitan Laurus was presented, which contained an invitation to visit Moscow. The letter was accepted with gratitude.

This meeting was the result of a long process of relations between members of the Russian Church in Russia and abroad. The invitation to this meeting was expressed also during President Putin's first visit to the USA in 2001. With the blessing of the Synod of Bishops of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia during presidential visits to the USA and Germany, brief meetings were held between bishops of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia and the President of the Russian Federation.

The matters discussed during this meeting will be presented for consideration at the forthcoming All-Diaspora Clergy Conference and Council of Bishops of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia to be held in December.

http://www.russianorthodoxchurch.ws/eng ... putin.html

rebecca · Post by **rebecca** » Thu 25 September 2003 12:59 pm

So Putin decides who's patriarch?

Justin Kissel · Post by **Justin Kissel** » Thu 25 September 2003 12:59 pm

$/\$ Sounds good to me!

ania · Post by **ania** » Thu 25 September 2003 1:54 pm

Just wanted to say that, even if Putin did offer Lavr the patriarchate, Lavr would probably not take it. He sees hiself has a very small fish doing a very big fish's job. He didn't want to be metropolitan, but he was voted in with a unanomous vote (actually the only one who voted for someone else was Vl. Lavr himself). I doubt he would even consider taking up the very heavy resposibilities of a patriarch.
Ania

尼古拉前执事 · Thu 25 September 2003 4:55 pm

Russian Orthodox Church hopes to end decades-old schism

http://www.gateway2russia.com/st/art_145510.php

25 September 2003 11:09
Russian Orthodox Church hopes to end decades-old schism

The Moscow Patriarchy hopes that a union with the Russian Orthodox Church
Abroad is still possible.

"I believe that God will bring us to unity, especially because the historic
causes of the split are over: the revolution, the civil war and the Cold
War," Archpriest Vsevolod Chaplin, a spokesman for the Moscow Patriarchy,
told Interfax on Thursday.

Russian President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday invited Metropolitan Lavr,
head of the Church Abroad, to visit Russia. The invitation was extended
jointly from Putin himiself and Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Alexy II.

"The Russian Orthodox Church has repeatedly invited the Russian Orthodox
Church Abroad to enter a dialogue without preconditions," Archpriest
Vsevolod said.

Alexy II made this offer back in 1991, shortly after his enthronement, he
said. "We still hope that this call for dialogue will be heard," Archpriest
Vsevolod said. "We hope to God that the two parts of the Russian Church
naturally come to full eucharistic and spiritual communion with God. Recent
history urges us to do so. The hierarchs, clergy and laymen of the two
churches are contacting each other on an increasing scale to help each
other withstand the challenges of the secular world, both in Russia and in
the West," he said.

[http://gazeta.ru/]