Reviving a cultus to a Saint

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Reviving a cultus to a Saint

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I was thinking about the troubled times of the Raskol and Tsar Peter I, and how St. Anna of Kashin was infamously "decanonized" or at least her cultus was suppressed since the Staroversky were trying to adopt her as proof of their teachings. Throughout Russian Church history, quite a few Saints were removed from the Typikon, such as St. Maximos the Greek, the Martyrs Anthony, John and Eustathius of Vilnus. And of course know the heretical MP took off many New Martyrs from the Calendar, such as St. Joseph of Petrograd (though in that case it was done deliberately with the intention of destroying the Praxis of the Church)

We also know how St. Nikodemios the Hagiorite and St John Maximovitch added many Western Saints back onto the Calendar which have led to a revival of veneration among Orthodox Christians, and we read about how even into recent times, people mistakingly thought Clement of Alexandria or Tertullian were Saints, and that was subsequently and correctly stopped.

Besides St. Anna of Kashin however, I am unfamiliar of any formal ceremonies taking place to restore a cultus. With Western Saints, I know that it's obvious they're Saints, but prior to the 18th century was there attempts to add them back onto the calendar? Did trying to restore or revive the veneration of Saints occur much in Church history besides the 18th century? Is there canonical precedents set for how to do this? How hard/easy is it to do on the ground level?
 
 

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I am unaware of whether or not it is acceptable to reply to your own posts (I will delete this later if it is not), but Vladyka Enoch and Fr. Joseph gave a reply on the NFTU livestream (June 4th O.S) that was very good. But if anyone has some interesting notes or comments I would love to hear it!

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I don't have any information to add on this interesting subject - good that you brought it up, Sava.

But could you explain better what you said about St Joseph of Petrograd being ignored by the MP so as to ruin the praxis of the Church ? What do you mean exactly by that ?
I never did understand why that happened, and it is important.

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Barbara wrote: Tue 18 June 2024 12:17 am

I don't have any information to add on this interesting subject - good that you brought it up, Sava.

But could you explain better what you said about St Joseph of Petrograd being ignored by the MP so as to ruin the praxis of the Church ? What do you mean exactly by that ?
I never did understand why that happened, and it is important.

 

Well to be fair I'll admit the MP is at least consistent. They took several New Martyrs off their Calendar such as St. Joseph of Petrograd. I think they also took St. Seraphim (Chichagov) and St. Maxim of Serupkhov off their calendar as well (I could be wrong). It's obvious that it's because the MP is Sergianist and these men stood in direct opposition to Sergianism in such a direct way.

The MP also claimed that they were allowed to decanonize/remove Saints off the calendar because "canonizations aren't infallible", which is technically true, but this is being used as a ploy to say those who say St. Joseph of Petrograd is a Saint (because he is) are "crypto-Papists". So now this debate about whether or not canonizations are infallible is playing out in WO.

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Well, yes that makes sense about St Joseph of Petrograd. I guess we need to get a hold of that book being published by Subdeacon Nektarios to get this political side completely ! I only know generally. I am very interested to find out more.

So St Seraphim Chichagov and St Maxim of Serpukhov were also firmly in favor of the Josephites ?
Was St Maxim an Archbishop of Serpukhov, then ? For some reason, I always liked the name of that city south of Moscow.

Yes, of course, Sava, you can ALWAYS reply to your own posts ! You can reply as many times as you wish -
but never think to delete a post, for your posts add a lot to our information here : well informed, well thought out - overall excellent contributions !

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As far as I know "Seraphim Chichagov" is not regarded as saint by true orthodox because it seems he supported the Moscow Patriarchate, which did not prevent him from being killed. Mother Euphrosyna mentioned this in the form in the past. When the forum is back to its normal structure, I think finding it will be easier.

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Excellent remark, Jean-Serge ! I didn't think i should write "St." before his name. That's what I had thought, that he did NOT join the Josephites or Catacomb Church.

I have a personal grudge against then-Abp, I think, Seraphim Chichagov anyway. He so was SO RUDE to Elder Barsanuphius. It was he who the Synod in St Petersburg sent to deliver the terrible blow to the poor "elderly Elder" that he must go without delay to the Old Golutvin Monastery to assume the abbacy of that disordered place.
It was clearly a political move to get the popular Elder out of Optina, and remove him from his position as Elder of the Skete.
Therefore, I feel leery whenever i see that name of the later Met I guess -Seraphim [Chichagov]. Not a nice guy, though theoretically he might have been brave against Soviet persecution.

I should write a thread about this very telling episode. But let's look forward to finding now-Abbess Evfrosinia's information.
Glad you reminded us about that.

We need to have on this site the PRECISE Truth about each person and situation !
That's what this Forum should have as its purpose, after all ! It's so hard for random searchers to know who is or was really whom, after all.

 

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