Questions re Latinism

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Questions re Latinism

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I was wondering if the former TradLats who have converted to Orthodoxy could tell me why they converted and what the differences are between tradlat catholicism and orhtodoxy. Feel free to email me (joe_zollars@yahoo.com) or pm me if you don't want to say anything publically.

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Greetings, Joe. I'm not a former TradLat, but this site might be of some help. I don't say that everything on there is 100% accurate (especially on the Catholic side, where my info is normally less reliable), but it might help answer your question a bit.

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thanks Paradosis. I will look it over when I get a bigger break from classes.

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You can find my conversion story on my homepage(at the bottom of my posts) and some of the differences between Roman Catholicism and Orthodoxy are:
1. Orthodoxy has no papal infallibility
2. no filioque in the Creed
3. Leavened 'bread' for Communion
4. Orthodox have married priests

those are all i can think of right now, sorry that I don't have anymore right now.

MaryC.

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I was wondering if the former TradLats who have converted to Orthodoxy could tell me why they converted and what the differences are between tradlat catholicism and orhtodoxy.

mwoerl

TradLat differences from Orthodoxy

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I am a convert from the Roman Catholics to Orthodoxy. I was never a TradLat in the accepted sense of that designation, I dont think-but I did stop attending Mass very soon after Vatican II. So, in a sense, I grew up in a TradLat setting. I think TradLats are, compared to the watered down and "modern" Roman Catholic edifice, ARCH Papists. That is, they would be glad for stronger and more dictatorial Popes, as long as them Popes dictated what they wanted them to, of course...
Also, when I went to school, we were taught that there was no possibility of salvation if you weren't Catholic...if you weren't Catholic, you simply went to Hell immediately after you died-no ifs ands or buts. Not even a stopover in Purgatory fer cryin' out loud! These "doctrines" I think would be accepted by the TradLats as "required!" Also the Latin required, with the preVatican II arrangement of the altar and the preVatican II Mass and other offices. They would also be as much if not more against ecumenism than the Traditional Orthodox-they are probably as aghast as we are when they see the Pope actually let that schismatic Bartholomew into Saint Peter's! And the Asissi (or is it Assisi-i can never remember that) Antics probably aggravated an onset of Apoplexy! (For the outdated medical terminology challenged, that means a stroke)
TradLats would not be "friends" of Orthodoxy in any sort of doctrinal respect-possibly those Orthodox who consider voting Republican a requirement for all Orthodox would be able to weld some sort of political agenda alliance with TradLats, and protest against abortion together, but I dont think it could go much deeper than that....remember, the "Traditional" Catholic bishops in the US were the very same ones who sparked the Uniate return to Orthodoxy here in the late 19th/early 20th century by refusing to even recognise UNIATE priests as Catholic....
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Thanks Mary Cecilia!

Mwoerl:

You describe what once I considered paradise! I once was a novus ordite (after leaving fundagelicalism) but could not stomach the liturgical abherations therein than became an indultee and staunch supporter of both teh FSSP and FSSPX. A month or two back I was firmly in the sedevacantist (no real pope since Pius XII) and Feeneyite camps. the interpretation of Extra Ecclesia Nulla Salus is what is known in more recent times as Feeneyism because fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston became the main proponet of that interpretation. Unfortunatly he never fully regected the NO and the Conciliar Church and came back under her. The main remnant of his followers go to SSPX Chapels now with a few going to SSPV and CMRI chapels. the tCC with "Pope" Pius XIII (AKA Fr. Pulvermacher) is also firmly feeneyite. Most tradlats other than the Indultee's and SSPXers will be with healthy camps within the SSPXers.

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Post by Jakub »

Joe,

You have left the Latin Church and need to concentrate on your conversion to Orthodoxy, stop turning around to your old side or you will not move forward.

james

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